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HSE2
26th August 2017, 09:38 AM
Having been provided with the opportunity to test the auto version of the GT Mustang, I thought it might be a good opportunity to revisit some of the more controversial aspects of our original review.

Some said we were too soft, too kind, owners said we bashed the car and it came from a position of hate or Falcon denial.

Collectively we never pulled punches and this review will be no different.

First of all, simpletons the world over need to realise that when reading a review of a product you already own, that review isn't speaking to you.

You have made your decision based on whatever. You own the car, what's said in any review has no bearing or influence whatsoever on a purchase you have already made. If this applies to you, take a seat and a double dose of chill pills.

As a biased media outlet only wishing well of Ford and for Ford products, where possible, negativity will be placed in the most detailed of context.

If for example I speak about cup holders obstructing gear shifts, if you have your car sitting in the shed for the weekend, clearly what you should be thinking is it's less of an issue for part time use as it would be for daily use.
I have a daily use mindset with this car.

That's the perfect leg on which to kick off, because with determination I have lined up just about everyone and videoed the process of review.

If your name is Paul, you won't be happy.

If your name is Bob, you won't be happy.

The short version.

Quality.
On film you will see me check the car over. You will see me measure paint thickness for quality and consitancy and you will see the process of checking fittment and gap consistency.

We repeat for the inside and demonstrate some awkwardness that was mentioned in our original review.

Performance
This cars engine wasn't as strong as Fords car. It also didn't have the kms on it.

Noise
On my roads the car also wasn't as quiet as we experienced on mainland roads.

Auto
Solves a lot of liveability issues. The tune can cause hunting at slow speeds. Town limits have it wanting to use a higher gear than you should be using. Fuel conservation is playing a part here. It is best not to use drive and that might be something some auto owners might not like.

Manual response was ok.

Brakes
Identical. Sensational.

Seats
Caradvice are moronic.

Engine sound. More of an issue in the auto. The fun aspect of the manual was such that it was easier to bring that sound track up. Again don't use drive.

Handling.

You can't hide in Tasmania. Back to back to back targa stages saw cars pulling off the road in front of me. It will understeer, it will oversteer but my option hasn't changed. It's a very good balance between compliance and performance for the enthusiastic driver who has brains and a sense of self preservation.

For the heros among us, aftermarket you will go.

Supercharger
Not for me. Not in a car as a daily driver. It will uncover short comings in this car if you don't address the package. In my opinion that is.

Conclusion.

Hopefully the videos come out ok and I can use them this time. We aren't off to a good start with the PC not seeing the go pro so for the time being you get this.

Now is the time to be looking at this car.

There has been improvements in quality. My body works was consulted earlier in the week, they are seeing the same thing.

On top of that, you have choice. There are stock on the ground where you can inspect before you buy. Buying power has shifted back to the consumer.

Deals are there to be had but better still, there are demos to drive.

As good as it is to stand back and look over, it's best when driven.

It's another Ford that makes you want to drive it.

Pros
Excellent seating position
I have a steering setting that I like.
Engine that largely ignores what's claimed
Balanced chassis and suspension
Awesome brakes.

Cons
Some ergonomic challenges
No digital speedo but it does give you digital cruise set speed.
Lacking some tech features

WASP
26th August 2017, 12:15 PM
Thank you Ian for going to the trouble and time to do this review. I am very much looking forward to your video series on this car, especially as s potential buyer. Given I am coming from the same perspective ( used as a daily ) this will be very relevant to my needs.


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4Vman
26th August 2017, 12:19 PM
Outstanding!

TS50
26th August 2017, 08:08 PM
Sounds good Ian, but the manual would still win me over
so after driving it on familiar roads, does your impressions on driving the Ford car change?

HSE2
27th August 2017, 10:40 AM
No.
I think we got that right largely because there were two of us who thought independently and who wouldn't say something just to appraise the other.

If anything it will be the second review that is potentially flawed as I have a stronger belief in conclusion via consultation.

The inconsistencies between cars with out exploring possible reasons

Engine performance.
Interior noise
Throttle application
Seat belt neck intrusion.

Car consistencies.
Steering mode feel
Brake feel
Balance
Grip
Smile on ones face

jpd80
27th August 2017, 11:03 AM
Great write up Ian.
Good point regarding those who have already purchased as the review is really
for those on the fence or with an open mind to buying in the near future.

I come back to the Mustang's name - GT which of course is Grand Tourer and for most
owners, the Tourer part is important. having a comfortable compliant ride is far more
important than a hard riding pin sharp track set up. When you're driving on Aussie roads,
the distances can sometimes be quite long with hours behind the wheel and getting into
a comfortable position is essential part of the experience - you have to be able to enjoy
the journey.

Just my opinion but those who were lucky to experience the early hard top Falcon will
probably love this Mustang, those who prefer sedans maybe not so much but in the end,
this Mustang stands as proof positive of what can be achieved when Ford is decisive and
makes a positive decision to support its higher value customers.

HSE2
27th August 2017, 06:50 PM
Great write up Ian.
Good point regarding those who have already purchased as the review is really
for those on the fence or with an open mind to buying in the near future.

I come back to the Mustang's name - GT which of course is Grand Tourer and for most
owners, the Tourer part is important. having a comfortable compliant ride is far more
important than a hard riding pin sharp track set up. When you're driving on Aussie roads,
the distances can sometimes be quite long with hours behind the wheel and getting into
a comfortable position is essential part of the experience - you have to be able to enjoy
the journey.

Just my opinion but those who were lucky to experience the early hard top Falcon will
probably love this Mustang, those who prefer sedans maybe not so much but in the end,
this Mustang stands as proof positive of what can be achieved when Ford is decisive and
makes a positive decision to support its higher value customers.

Happy Birthday mate. If memory serves.

The real change is people don't need to rely on reviews any more.

The ability to test drive will solve alot of issues regarding opinions.

As long as people understand, the way I have worded this is also taking aim at us, myself included, the real value in a review is to say ok to everything.

If you own something being reviewed instead of saying or thinking the reviewer is a clown straight up, think about how what is being said could be correct.

That the seats.

What body type, fitness level finds issues?

There is a missing context in nearly every claim made.

You can make a car understeer, especially heading into a corner that's 15kph.

But does the car naturally understeer with slight provocation. Just a bit different perspective.

There is always the harder highway run to consider as well.

Research is never a wasted effort.

If you are heading into a test drive consider these areas to check.

Quality.
Check gaps and alignment as you would with any car purchase.

With mustang I would also insist on inspecting underneath.

Seatbelt cutting into neck. Whatever body type you are just make sure you check put what that belt is doing measured against your seating position.

Obviously check that hand brake location and operation for you. Again body type and seat position make a difference.

On road ignore the initial thoughts on the bonnet length. Dont be put off by it because you do get used to it.

Driving characteristics are alot harder to speak on. We are all different so you need to test what's important to you.

In the end that experience is what we expect from Ford. We have reasonable expectations of their products, mustang delivers on those expectations.

In my opinion.

HSE2
29th August 2017, 09:19 AM
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HSE2
29th August 2017, 02:13 PM
Before I go too far with these videos, the quality really is just good enough for us here.

It appears I have an issue with the mic on this camera. Its not so bad in this one but the next video my voice is coming in and out badly.

Let me know what you guys thing, if you want me to do the others or if the quality and editing skills are just not good enough.










https://youtu.be/unTNwrZdpR0

WASP
29th August 2017, 04:23 PM
Thanks Ian, very insightful as usual.

While I can see many onlookers being a bit horrified by some of the panel mis-matches /alignments there is nothing there I haven't seen on our Falcon's, especially around the rear bar. What this really highlights is its no AUDI in terms of finish quality and to expect 'more of the same' if you want a performance Ford under $60k. I suspect only the Focus RS will give you better panel fit quality if you want a Ford badge on it.

In terms of your video, the sounds was pretty clear actually with just the odd bit of wind/mic noise. The only part that was a bit of an issue is your shadow covering the car where you were showing the panel alignment on the front. This is probably best done under artificial light? I also couldn't see the paint thickness reading but that's no biggy. Overall, well done. I look forward to the next installment.

HSE2
29th August 2017, 05:06 PM
Ok that's not what it shows up as on the PC. Something has occurred in the loading to youtube.

I will have to look at what's gone wrong.

FTe217
30th August 2017, 08:46 AM
Pretty darn good first up vid Ian as mentioned.
I like this way just as the pod casts we've been starting to get into.
More hands on and real instead of reading print reviews.
The shadows and wind issue though not a preally bad point you just got to hope for a spot on day and or find an area that is more protected from the wind.
Look forward to the next.

HSE2
30th August 2017, 09:59 AM
You are too kind. No really. Its shit and not good enough

On the converted video for loading you can see everything including the lcd readings. Its a trial version of editing software as the stuff I have was too hard for me to work out how to use it.

It loaded up too quickly on to youtube and there isn't the HD options. Its recorded in 4 k I think so I am not sure if that's the issue or not.

There was next to no wind. With the benefit of having seen the interior videos something is wrong with the sound. Its picking up basically jacket movement and my voice just fades in and out.

Really disappointed with this go pro. The connection door fell off n my hands.

It wont connect to the PC easily and now it refusing to take an update.

The interior vide is way worse than this ne due to sun glare. It was ok in the car but on the lens its unacceptable. Usually that can be adjusted but I will need to have a look at editing packages and research what I need to do.

An external mic and wind sock will be a must

However. What I wanted to demonstrate is that the quality check is pretty much that easy and that's about the time spent. Nothing special was done and to be honest defects really need to stand out to warrant a mention.

There is nothing on this car that you wont find on most cars and that's what I wanted you guys to see.

Its context. What did I look at< how did I look at it, in what conditions did I look at it and how did I rate it. You can see it all.

Its based on a test drive situation and what reasonable for consumers to look at and under what conditions.

FTe217
30th August 2017, 11:22 AM
too kind, maybe so but I'm not fussed of perfection first up you analist hehe....
It was ok.
yer yer get it perfect but that cost more right - your go pro isn't good enough for starters your saying.
How far you gonna go.
You demonstrated well enough, the rear bar was crap, as Colville mentions we've had similar in our Falcons for yonks as well.
Plastic to metal paint comparo has always and will always be a different finish......
Don't forget it comes down also how much time you have doing your own pre inspections, in sunlight in shade, in the garage under good lighting brings out another realm but by then its too late you've handed over your hard earned :)

HSE2
30th August 2017, 05:21 PM
when you watched the video did you use a PC and full screen and set to HD?

galaxy xr8
30th August 2017, 06:12 PM
With regards to the boot release, would a slimline number plate help that issue at all ?.

HSE2
31st August 2017, 06:40 AM
Yes with out question and that's exactly what you would have to do

HSE2
31st August 2017, 07:20 AM
too kind, maybe so but I'm not fussed of perfection first up you analist hehe....
It was ok.
yer yer get it perfect but that cost more right - your go pro isn't good enough for starters your saying.
How far you gonna go.
You demonstrated well enough, the rear bar was crap, as Colville mentions we've had similar in our Falcons for yonks as well.
Plastic to metal paint comparo has always and will always be a different finish......
Don't forget it comes down also how much time you have doing your own pre inspections, in sunlight in shade, in the garage under good lighting brings out another realm but by then its too late you've handed over your hard earned :)


No I am saying this particular unit is doing weird stuff.

Or I thought it was.

The camera itself is fine, but after spending another day shooting Sprint footage that's basically unusable I went searching for problems.

1. It doesn't have the latest firmware update and it won't download it. This appears to be a common problem and requires you to do a manual install via a card reader I don't have. = not good enough.

2. It shouldn't have been picking up that much wind noise. You haven't seen the interior videos yet but the noise is worse and that's picking up my movements.

3. My voice when inside the car is horrible. It's fading out to the point of unusable.

Research has discovered its not the camera but the case. The mic slots are covered by the mounting case which I use all the time. I had not realised this. It's all over YouTube.

So I now know why the sound is so bad in the later videos and why it's picking up higher noise levels than what's in the car.

It was very evident in Tickfords mustang and in lthe last couple of Sprint days.

Not sure what to do with the videos I have.

On the lighting, specifically not being able to read the LCD screen, on the native video I can easily. The shadows that are there aren't huge and that's how it was in real life. Certainly not to the extent I can't see detail.

For me, watching full screen and setting YouTube to highest HD goes some way to helping but something has occurred with the upload. Because it's trial software I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't part of the issue and it limits some scaling or something.

So new editing software is required or I research the go pro stuff to see what I am doing wrong.


This video is ok to set context.

As you can see it's not really an in depth look at quality.

Doing the same thing to one other car saw me stop counting defects at 20 ish. Same time, same focus, same sort of lighting.

In all the cars I have owned, not all defects were picked up at the dealership. That's what warranty is for and provided you do those detailed checks with in a few days of delivery you are normally ok.
In this case no it doesn't come down to how much time taken in inspection because you can see that in the video. For the purposes of reviewing, that's all the time, care and effort I am taking.

I got the impression people thought I was trying to pull the mustang to pieces.

This isn't true. It's not much more than a walk around at diferenet distances. It has to be obvious and it's the same for every car I have reviewed.

Heading into paint correction territory comes later and is far more involved.
Never done this with a review but as consumer advice goes, some consideration being given to no pre delivery on the paint side is worth considering.


Sun or natural light with shadows is what you get day to day.
It's this time when you are admiring your car something can catch your eye.

So the two key points I wanted to bring up here is the quality check in order to state an opinion in a review isn't in depth and has substantial opportunity to miss paint defects. No media outlet I am aware of handwashes a car for this purpose but at the same time I don't think they are testing or looking for this as we consumers do.

It's the value of a consumer based review. More representative but not completely anal at the same time.

The other point is that while some issues were uncovered using this method, they are in my opinion normal.

Paint match on plastic showed up on camera as it did in real life so it gets the comment that yes some people don't like it but it's pretty much the industry standard. If this bothers you, some colours are worse than others.

Make colour choice on this issue a consideration. Silver is nearly always a good colour to avoid.

All of the others issue can happen to any car from any manufacturer. I felt Fords car was very similar to this standard wise and why we didn't say much which surprised some people who thought I would rubbish the car on these grounds.

I had a quality opinion going in because Ford made it easy for me to see it.

What to do with the rest of the videos.

WASP
31st August 2017, 05:12 PM
Share them Ian. If for no other reason other to test trail your content approach and obtain feedback.

I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say we understand the videos may not perfect, or in keeping with your expectations but the feedback can be used to shape future content experiences. Not to mention, I for one would like to see them.

If it really bothers you make the thread private but I don't recommend it. Your review is authentic and any potential serious Mustang buyer will appreciate it for what it is, not the quality of the footage.

FTe217
31st August 2017, 07:47 PM
yep agree C.

HSE2
1st September 2017, 12:34 PM
Ok will see what I can do

HSE2
2nd September 2017, 04:58 PM
there is a delay with new videos due to youtube getting to 98% and not completing the upload

Randel
3rd September 2017, 11:39 AM
Do you use the GoPro software for editing?

I know when I used to help my mate at the drags, I found the GoPro software best to convert footage for Youtube.

The biggest problem I had was trying to film at night under lights - could never get that right.

HSE2
3rd September 2017, 11:43 AM
Do you use the GoPro software for editing?

I know when I used to help my mate at the drags, I found the GoPro software best to convert footage for Youtube.

The biggest problem I had was trying to film at night under lights - could never get that right.

I have gone back to that because I think that's the big issue with lighting. There is day and night between the conversation with the Go pro version significantly better.

What I struggled with was cutting pieces out. I couldn't work out how to do that with go pro. I can reduce the length by cutting the start and the end but if I wanted to take something out of the middle I am stuffed.

Right now I would be happy to get one video loaded. They keep on failing.

Randel
3rd September 2017, 12:05 PM
I have gone back to that because I think that's the big issue with lighting. There is day and night between the conversation with the Go pro version significantly better.

What I struggled with was cutting pieces out. I couldn't work out how to do that with go pro. I can reduce the length by cutting the start and the end but if I wanted to take something out of the middle I am stuffed.

Right now I would be happy to get one video loaded. They keep on failing.

Yep, especially when it should "just work".. technology can be wonderful, but can be damn frustrating!

Randel
3rd September 2017, 12:15 PM
What I struggled with was cutting pieces out. I couldn't work out how to do that with go pro...

I am going from memory, as I haven't used the GoPro for a few years.

The first step was to select your data/video, and then you went to step 2 editing...

I am sure you could bring the video in twice for example, so you would import video trim to select first part that you wanted, then bring same raw video on to the timeline/edit section and trim to get the last part...

Then when you output, it combines the first and last section, thereby trimming out the middle bit

HSE2
4th September 2017, 04:27 AM
What I would like to do here is show a video that demonstrates roughly the process of first wash prep and inspection.


Like all things you might pick up some points and ignore others. It's not a right or wrong proposition.

You can also follow the link in this video back to an earlier one that shows what they did at the dealership on delivery. Also worth watching.

End point. There is a big difference between a review inspection and delivery inspection.


https://youtu.be/wh39s4q38nY

HSE2
4th September 2017, 04:36 AM
Ok. Not all the drive videos are suitable for public consumption so I am being selective.

Again, in this series I want to bring context front and centre.

For me opinions are not right or wrong, black or white. They are based on something and it's that something that's important to understand.

Or simply put; what did you do to find that fault.

Here I want to show you the type of road I like to drive on. If a car does well here, driven roughly the same way, it's going to go along way to getting my praise.

You won't hear tyres squealing, or redline revs. My experience tells me what that level brings. I won't go out and trash a car to do a review which leaves me exposed to not finding the cars ultimate failings. So be it. Happy to be corrected, but for me it's about opening that door to have a conversation on expectation levels that justify purchase.

As always please watch in the highest quality setting provided.


https://youtu.be/iZGlPHpG2ms

FTe217
4th September 2017, 10:30 AM
Thanks for posting up - I'll check it out through the evening.

WASP
4th September 2017, 05:39 PM
Mate, you look like you are hiking it through that magnificent Tassie country side..lol. It also looks like a lot of fun and sounds brilliant. The road is very much like some of my favourite driving roads here in the Adelaide Hills. This is where I like driving my GT most of all.

As you mentioned there is a lot of background noise going on and your voice sounds quite distant. Do you mind me asking where the mic was located?

WASP
4th September 2017, 09:54 PM
One more question. Assuming you have driven some of your other XR Falcons and GT's across the same strip of road, how does the Mustang compare?

I'm more referring to handling and car balance more than power, but understand you can't really ignore the effect that engine performance has on this type of driving.


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HSE2
4th September 2017, 10:18 PM
Mate, you look like you are hiking it through that magnificent Tassie country side..lol. It also looks like a lot of fun and sounds brilliant. The road is very much like some of my favourite driving roads here in the Adelaide Hills. This is where I like driving my GT most of all.

As you mentioned there is a lot of background noise going on and your voice sounds quite distant. Do you mind me asking where the mic was located?

In these videos the mic is the go pro. It has three built in microphones and it's meant to swap between them to give the best sound.

It just doesn't work. My interior review is unusable. There is a sync 3 one loading that seems ok.

The sync 2 one which is better, is with outs it's case. I need to get an external mic but it's not straight forward. I need a converter box and that's bulky.

HSE2
4th September 2017, 10:21 PM
One more question. Assuming you have driven some of your other XR Falcons and GT's across the same strip of road, how does the Mustang compare?

I'm more referring to handling and car balance more than power, but understand you can't really ignore the effect that engine performance has on this type of driving.


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There is no body roll if driven at the same speed. The mustang is just flatter.

A Falcon will work harder on theses roads. Ignoring engine, even on a race track, if it's the right track, a mustang will be faster.

Sprint gets closest.

WASP
4th September 2017, 10:31 PM
There is no body roll if driven at the same speed. The mustang is just flatter.

A Falcon will work harder on theses roads. Ignoring engine, even on a race track, if it's the right track, a mustang will be faster.

Sprint gets closest.

That's interesting. I suspected the Sprints would be close. When I watch the video the car reminds of what it's like in my GT and you know how much suspension, tyres and chassis work has gone into that.

Of course looking at a video can only tell you so much but it appears as if the Mustang is sitting very flat and you are able to pitch and shoot it in and out of corners well. My GT can also get a bit loose in the rear when really pushing through the hills and bends. I suspect on mine this is due to stiffness.


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HSE2
4th September 2017, 10:55 PM
This particular road, I end up doing it once a week. There is a corner shop about 400metres from where I live but I tend to take that car and end up in Sheffield and forget the milk. More often than not, it's a daily driver that sees this road.

The XR8 is now too stiff, the XR6 is way to soft. In fact there are bumps and hollows I have to brake for in the turbo to avoid damage due to softness.

This mustang is somewhere in the middle which is why I am such a big fan of it. It's a very nice balance to the point that whatever I am doing, where ever I am, detouring to a nice road doesn't carry the thought of wish i had a different car or I should go home first and change.

When is say daily, this for me is daily but as you heard I can have anything and drive accordingly to still enjoy it. Mustang raises the accessibility bar.

There are basics that inspire confidence. What a video does is allow people to see comment context.

If people see it as slow or they push harder, allow for the review findings to alter accordingly. It's just not a right or wrong.

Pushing harder though will bring in a cliff scenario. I don't know where the limit is and I wouldn't try to find it in any car I didn't own.

So a visual difference for example is there is a video on my channel marked test where the XR8 does the same road. You can hear the tyres protesting in that video. It's being pushed more towards its limit which isn't the mustangs limit if that makes sense

HSE2
5th September 2017, 08:04 AM
Mustang Sync 3 test.

If you have watched the sprint sync 2 video you will be familiar with what you are about to see.

In the original review we came across this issue where the system ignored instructions. Not an error chime but just ignored them.

Possible reason.

The phone. Same phone used in all tests but it's possible the newer sync 3 doesn't allow for windows based as well as the older sync 2 does. That said, it was fine selecting Bluetooth audio but once running near impossible to stop.

The steering wheel buttons are on the small side and there are plenty of them.



https://youtu.be/ZEhCo_9KBZM

WASP
5th September 2017, 08:21 AM
I was using a loaner Ford Escape a while back and had lots of issues with voice commands using Sync 3. I just figured it couldn't understand me.


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FTe217
5th September 2017, 09:52 AM
ok - I like seeing the vids, just need to view it not during office hours so as the staff can't see I'm being so pro active lol....

So, it out handles your Sprint6.
Mind you a 2door v's a 4door for starters, lower centre to gravity, all expected no ?
Have to look up the weight differences.
Also I've never looked into it but the quality of the Pony IRS, I'll look into it in time as well for the heck.
The late Falcons sure don't have quality there imo.

HSE2
5th September 2017, 05:24 PM
ok - I like seeing the vids, just need to view it not during office hours so as the staff can't see I'm being so pro active lol....

So, it out handles your Sprint6.
Mind you a 2door v's a 4door for starters, lower centre to gravity, all expected no ?
Have to look up the weight differences.
Also I've never looked into it but the quality of the Pony IRS, I'll look into it in time as well for the heck.
The late Falcons sure don't have quality there imo.

No it doesn't out handle the Sprint.

The limitation is me. I am common to both cars so when you see these corners in my mind there is a limit I wont cross no matter what.

The car that's been on this road the most is the AU XR8. I know what that car will do. Its much harder with a new car that's changed so much like both the Sprint and Mustang have to know where that limit is with out first crossing it.

I simply don't know where the sprints limit is. It will do what you have seen on this video easily. If there was no camera both cars would be faster again. This wasn't a test to find that limit.

I guess what I am saying is that I have made certain comments. Seeing how those comments have been formed allows you to determine if your skills or driving engagement are below equal to or above.

If its above, you get to a tipping point I can't comment on. It could go from operating at 85% to 95% very quickly. I have no idea.

That's the point with Sprint verses Xr falcon. At a certain level or ask there is no difference. when you increase that the normal XR falls off a cliff and that's not good. On the road you don't want to be anywhere near a cliff or you get egg on your face.

In my hands the cars would be about the same because there is a limit to what you can do corner wise. Your question is very specific and to me it goes to which car is doing the same task easier. To answer that you would be lookgin at the tyre wear and heat to see which car is using its tyres more to achieve essentially the same result.

If it were a track you would push to the point of understeer and that would be your answer.

A review like this, like we could ever do isn't testing the cars limits. if we were ever to do something like this, I think what I would do is hand it over to our Stig. Someone like Justin, David or even a ford test driver if we could arrange it and then you would get the sort of feedback more aimed at the ultimate answers.

I would absolutely love to do that one day but its a bit of a dream at this stage.

4Vman
5th September 2017, 05:30 PM
*And it will be Mauries car used for that test.

FTe217
6th September 2017, 04:07 PM
I actually wasn't steering towards a handling comparo just random comment being I saw - Sprints gets closet.

So, in my post should have had a ?mark, thats what I was looking for tbh.
Followed by my comments 2 door 4 door etcetc in question as well ?
I was just curious and now that you thought to bring up a dream comparo good idea IF ever could arrange a would be an interesting outcome and discussion.
My comparo would not be on a track mind you, hardly any are on the track.
Just as the pod casts its got to be real and thats on regional roads thats what the cars live on, not the track.
I hear what your saying about tipping points/etcetc but your too logical analytical and just plain too fecking hard its needs this and that dot this i cross that t darcy - the Stigs are the owners be it capable or not. Just like a spirited club run.
Some are near the front some are mid pack or further but thats real time handling in Your car.
These track or specialists tests are for the birds, we've seen enough of them over the years - who cares about the furthest limits, hardly any of us do that for we respect our machinery more but most don't mind giving them a good ol poke thats enough of a comparo.
Regards finding the Sprints limits, tbh I'll be scared to finding it, well at my level of ability, its fecking fast, mind you I used to think the T3 was as well back in the early days.
Norm, if the planets aligned for such a run one fine day, maybe Vic alps I'd be keen for it in mine.

HSE2
6th September 2017, 06:42 PM
Not sure what you have said here either as my decipher ring is on the blink, but I think I understood what you were getting at and answered.

If we keep in mind that Ford USA benchmarked mustang against M3 I think it was, it gives a hint at its potential.

Against Falcon from anything above 270 it's underpowered.

What I was saying is that if we both agree track work is somewhat irrelevant to us, this type of road is a bit of a leveller.

Point and squirt, if you can get the extra power down, it's all Sprint. The mustang is deceptive, this one too new to take the engine above 5k or hammer the brakes. The next video is down hill so it might show more.

I think for me the best comment from version 1 was from capt slow and aligning the T series nationals.

Our car and driving would have kept us in the lead group and would have been doing easier thanks to the stuff you mentioned about balance and centre of gravity.

A bigger question if I can frame it like this.

You win a mustang, which car do you take on your favourite road.

I can see your Au side coming out and embracing mustang but being annoyed at it not being at Sprint power levels.

I would be very keen to see you take a test drive and hear what you think.

FTe217
7th September 2017, 09:20 AM
decipher ring ? ditto, I do just the same with many of your postings thinking wtf, have to re read them but I feel to place myself as if I'm in the Jetsons world and think wtf is George saying but lets move on.....
So pony's target was M3 characteristics - learn something everyday as they say.
Agree, the type of road you run is just what the doctor orders.
If I won a mustang (likely an auto as they do), the wife would use it :) but I sure would give it a run.
Yes, I would use the Sprint at this present stage for that type of road, having done one small run similar I'm fapping to have a full day out there somewhere to really feel its personality and test to my abilities for having a stick shift in the Miami is the ducks guts in Falcon country.
I can arrange a drive in the pony, I will one day and take it out towards Bathurst direction or Putty rd for a real feel of it.

HSE2
7th September 2017, 10:42 AM
https://youtu.be/l4HR3obFEhE

HSE2
8th September 2017, 09:27 AM
copy of dealership article

Back in March I was fortunate enough to test drive a GT Mustang press car in manual guise. As my first acquaintance with the Mustang experience it left an impression, albeit an unanswered one with respect to which transmission choice is better. Would an auto option box translate into a lesser drive and therefore a lesser Mustang?

In August an opportunity arose to test drive the GT with auto option courtesy of the JMC group. In fact, one of the biggest changes between March of this year and August is the availability to test drive the Mustang. At launch it was somewhat frustrating that there were no spare cars for dealership stock such as the popularity of the brand in this country. It’s different now and we are better for it.

Don’t take my word for it, head into your local Ford dealership (JMC) and speak to one of the sales staff about the stock on the floor and the test drive opportunities that may be present.

When you do drive the car, I am sure you will love the experience. Be prepared to wave at Mustangs being driven towards you as it appears to be a “thing” amongst owners. I wasn’t prepared for this and let the team down during my time with this car.

As is the case with many recent Ford products, the Mustang is best when its driven. It’s not bad to look at as the pictures attest, but it’s the driving experience for mine that wins one over.
Highlights for me were the brakes, suspension compliance for a sports car and steering weighting in comfort mode. The electric power steering has the ability to change weighting which presents the driver with a choice.
One thing I did notice is the greater amount of electronic mode involvement with the automatic model. Shifting into sports mode really does sharpen up the shifts and gives you full operation of the paddles mounted behind the steering wheel.

As to which option is better, for me, the biggest finding was that the experience that is Mustang is in no way diminished by the automatic transmission choice. I won’t be handing in my “man” card for saying so either.

I found there were some liveability advantages to the auto that I couldn’t personally ignore and it comes with no sacrifice to driver enjoyment. Either option, either personal preference, the winner is truly in the driving.


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WASP
9th September 2017, 11:34 PM
Mmm I really do like the white one Ian. Can only imagine how good it would look with a staggered set of after market dished wheels. I'm please, or should I say relieved that the auto doesn't spoil the enjoyment factor as for how I'm planning to use such a vehicle an auto is the preferred choice.

I've booked myself in for my first test drive in a few weeks.


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HSE2
13th September 2017, 07:15 PM
Mmm I really do like the white one Ian. Can only imagine how good it would look with a staggered set of after market dished wheels. I'm please, or should I say relieved that the auto doesn't spoil the enjoyment factor as for how I'm planning to use such a vehicle an auto is the preferred choice.

I've booked myself in for my first test drive in a few weeks.


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I very much look forward to hearing all about this.

FTe217
14th September 2017, 09:34 AM
White does look good, I just keep thinking silver wheels would look better on it.
There is a light silver one at my dealer, has that fading design dotted stripe over it - looks very nice but has silver wheels, looks much better imo.

WASP
14th September 2017, 09:56 PM
White does look good, I just keep thinking silver wheels would look better on it.
There is a light silver one at my dealer, has that fading design dotted stripe over it - looks very nice but has silver wheels, looks much better imo.

Me too Maurie. I am warming to the black wheels but if given a choice prefer the silver, shadow silver or metal finishes.


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