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Falc'man
15th October 2014, 11:19 AM
http://www.motortrend.com/multimedia/videos/#ooid=s1MG4zcTqTOgAkB6gL2nAXJ4uNJ13eT4

HSE2
15th October 2014, 11:28 AM
I got to the 7 minute mark and got depressed.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 11:32 AM
I got the 7 minute mark and got depressed.Read post 21 of this thread and you will see a Trend, excuse the pun.

http://fordforums.net.au/showthread.php?2548-Mustang-first-drives

HSE2
15th October 2014, 11:51 AM
Ok gotcha.

I don't know how you can have a ride that is on the stiff side fro the street yet too soft for a track with a performance package.

Its not a good look for essentially a VE commodore to beat a new model like this. In some ways watching that video reminded me of the issues we have with our product in exactly the same areas. Power down and stability front to rear.

Most reviews I have read say the performance pack is a requirement, found it interesting that perhaps the biggest issue is that it doesn't change enough compared to the Camaro. Left alone the Mustang in their eyes would make more sense.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 12:27 PM
The 1LE has seriously big rubber on the front. 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 front and rear.

GT-PP has rated favourably in the few back to back reviews with the M4 although without performance figures.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 03:12 PM
Just watched the whole video and yes the Camaro wins this comparison. It's much firmer and better suited to track work. It really is a dedicated track car.

The PP option is designed to give a firmer feel on the road, and that's what it does by their own admission. It's a suspension package you could live with, day in, day out. If there's a PPP option which included firmer springs and shocks it might even things out.

As an outright track car, the 1LE is better, and some people may be able to live with that sort of firm ride. I thought it looked great going hard through the corners.

I really enjoyed seeing the Mustang pushed in the video. Not happy with the result but it was good to watch the cars at full tilt nonetheless.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 04:21 PM
Summary of times set by Randy Pobst at Streets of Willow for various cars:

1:19.55 2012 Nissan GT-R
1:22.53 2013 Jaguar XKR-S GT
1:22.70 2012 Camaro 1LE
1:22.81 2015 Camaro 1LE
1:23.48 2010 Mustang GT500
*1:24.32 2015 Mustang GT*
1:24.85 2013 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S
1:25.71 2013 Chevrolet SS
1:25.77 2012 Mustang GT
1:26.10 2012 Mustang Boss 302 (note: not driven by Randy, included as a reference)
1:26.37 2014 BMW M235i
1:26.49 2013 Jaguar XFR-S
1:27.73 2011 300 SRT-8
*1:27.85 2015 Mustang Ecoboost*
1:28.40 2012 Focus ST
1:28.71 2012 Hyundai Genesis 3.8
1:29.09 2011 Mustang V6
1:29.12 2012 Hyundai Genesis 2.0T
1:29.51 2009 Mazda MPS3
1:30.32 2012 Subaru BRZ
1:31.15 2013 Scion FR-S
1:31.47 2009 Golf GTI
1:32.53 2011 Jetta GLI

...

galaxy xr8
15th October 2014, 07:15 PM
The page doesn’t seem to want to play the game for me ?.

4Vman
15th October 2014, 07:31 PM
Geezus the SS Commodore is nearly as fast as the Mustang...

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 07:52 PM
Over there the SS has the 6.2. So calling it an HSV R8 would be more precise.

4Vman
15th October 2014, 07:54 PM
Over there the SS has the 6.2. So calling it an HSV R8 would be more precise.

Good point.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 08:04 PM
My suspicion of bias is confirmed: I just remembered something. When they're talking about the GT on the track they mention how it's "too hard" for the road but too soft for the track. Then Randy goes on to say the 1LE has harder suspension which is why it's better on the track... and... that is what you want for the road.


On M6G they take his opinions seriously and it's why they're having a mini meltdown at the moment.

MT are the JD of the US but it could be the case that Americans are a naive and gullible bunch. Much like us.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 08:06 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jUQZwmTKMqw


The page doesn’t seem to want to play the game for me ?.

Try that. Quality may not be as good.

Falc'man
15th October 2014, 08:14 PM
Ah. Someone there is awake.


Has anyone else ever noticed that all the car comparisons so far this year and late last year between a GM product and other manufacturers, the GM products has won pretty much everything?

2015 mustang vs camaro 1le= Camaro (GM)
Nissan GTR vs Camaro Z28 = Camaro (GM)
2014 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car = Camaro (GM)
2014 Motor Trend Car of the Year = Caddillac (GM)
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport vs 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport = Cadillac (GM)

It's either GM has building some really amazing cars, or some people should start considering changing their company name to GMTREND.

VZTRT
16th October 2014, 06:48 AM
This new Camaro must me amazing cause the current model is quite ordinary on the regular road.

Falc'man
31st October 2014, 11:56 AM
Lexus RCF on the left, 351kW and 8sp box.
M4 on the right, DCT gearbox.
Both have Michelin Pilot Sports.

Pic below is of 1LE and GT-PP.



http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13962&stc=1&d=1414643032
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13963&stc=1&d=1414643072

jpd80
31st October 2014, 02:50 PM
Ah. Someone there is awake.
Currently GM's inventory level for Camaro stands at over 22,000 and over 30,000 unsold ATS and CTS combined.
Those vehicles arer considered slam dunk easy sell..They need these "victories" so that people will keep the faith..

By comparison, Ford has around 4,900 Mustangs in inventory..

Falc'man
31st October 2014, 07:59 PM
What's Mustang's inventory supposed to be at John?

4Vman
31st October 2014, 08:08 PM
Doesn't surprise me one bit inventory is low on a brand new model that hasn't filled dealers yet..

Falc'man
31st October 2014, 08:08 PM
A fair amount of Ford fans are disappointed because of this comparison - the power of the media is not to be underestimated.

Looking at the bigger picture this 1LE is a hard-edged track special dialled up to 8/10 for track bias - only suitable for the hardcore, whereas the Mustang GT-PP is also dialled up but not to that same degree therefore targeting a much larger audience.

Perhaps there's a gap for Ford to fill between PP and SVT, just to keep mouthe shut. On the other hand this 1LE has everything the Z28 has at half the price, minus 75hp; that is something the Z28 may not appreciate.

Falc'man
28th December 2014, 09:57 PM
Read post 21 of this thread and you will see a Trend, excuse the pun.

http://fordforums.net.au/showthread.php?2548-Mustang-first-drives

Motor Trend strikes again.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/cars-other-things-we-wish-had-been-better-in-2014/ss-BBgYggw?ocid=iehp#image=8

4Vman
29th December 2014, 05:26 AM
One question though, what happens when Ford run our of 60's shapes to retro off??

Start all over again? Or dare I suggest it delve into the 70's...??

Bluestuff1
29th December 2014, 07:16 AM
One question though, what happens when Ford run our of 60's shapes to retro off??

Start all over again? Or dare I suggest it delve into the 70's...??

there's only a few things remain constant, time , taxes, and history always repeats......

Bluestuff1
29th December 2014, 07:22 AM
my query is that as we have had so much previews of mustang, that by the time it arrived it will too old and " past" it..

4Vman
29th December 2014, 07:31 AM
my query is that as we have had so much previews of mustang, that by the time it arrived it will too old and " past" it..

Well by the time we get it here it will either be the (obsolete) current model or new MY16 version...

Falc'man
29th December 2014, 09:14 AM
I suspect it'll evolve with more contemporary lines but remain recognisable as a Mustang. Judging by this latest model they've got the right idea. I would say it's one of only a few Ford passenger vehicles that can boast to have balance and good proportions, retro or not.

I thought I showed you guys the next one?

Bluestuff1
29th December 2014, 09:52 AM
feel free .....

4Vman
29th December 2014, 10:09 AM
I suspect it'll evolve with more contemporary lines but remain recognisable as a Mustang. Judging by this latest model they've got the right idea. I would say it's one of only a few Ford passenger vehicles that can boast to have balance and good proportions, retro or not.

I thought I showed you guys the next one?

MY16 or the next evolution???

Falc'man
29th December 2014, 10:53 AM
Next Gen.