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Falc'man
8th December 2013, 01:24 AM
May as well start a thread for these as well.

The now discontinued Boss 302 Mustang, SVT's track weapon, is rumoured to be renamed the Shelby GT350 when it goes into production. Makes sense when top dog is Shelby GT500.

Power for the "GT350" will be from a n.a. 5.2 litre V8 (aka Voodoo) and is said to be over 500hp.


As for the GT500 it currently has the Trinity 5.8, which is blown and is the world's most powerful production V8. This motor still fits in the new Mustang but not sure if it'll continue or there'll be something even more efficient coming on line, like an Ecoboost 5.0.


GT350 will be mid 2015 is my guesstimation and GT500 another year after that.


Latest rumour, well actually it's been going around for a while, is that this 5.2 could have a flat plane crank. It's a rumour that a nobody started and kept circulating until it was reported in the press. So I've been ignoring it but someone that isn't a nobody has hinted it shouldn't be ruled out.

HSE2
8th December 2013, 05:33 AM
I would like to see the GT500 go TT myself, to tie up the ecoboost ends

Falc'man
10th December 2013, 02:59 PM
The 5.8 (Trinity) assembly line has been stopped for changes of some sort.

galaxy xr8
10th December 2013, 06:01 PM
The 5.8 (Trinity) assembly line has been stopped for changes of some sort.

Hmmmm !!!!!, or should I say Mmmmmmm!!!.

FPV GTHO
10th December 2013, 06:39 PM
It will be interesting to see how this "5.2" V8 is made up, so to speak.

I dug around for the bore figures on Ford's modular based V8's and came up with this:

90.2mm/3.552in - 4.6/5.4 Modular
92.2mm/3.629in - 5.0/302 Coyote
93.5mm/3.68in - 5.8/354 Trinity
94mm/3.7in - 5.0/305 Cammer

Despite the plasma spray bore liner on Trinity, the Cammer still has a larger more but doesnt have to deal with as much cylinder pressure either. Begs the question how large of a bore could they go if they applied the technology there?

If they build it with the 3.7/iron lined bore and Coyote 92.7mm/3.649in stroke, they get 313.88cu.inn/5,144.43cc. Just shy of 5.2
The 3.68 bore will obviously be smaller, but to get it to a technical 5.2 of 5150cc it would only need a bore larger than 3.702in - doesnt seem that hard does it?

Falc'man
15th December 2013, 07:02 PM
Flat plane crank has been tested but appears to be ruled out due to instability.

Falc'man
27th December 2013, 11:34 PM
Shelby Coupe and Convertible Listed on Ford 2015 Mustang's Lineup

It looks like Ford won't waste any time to enhance the range of its new 2015 Mustang when it goes on sale late next year, as according to a purportedly official "2015MY Ford Body Code Types" chart that trickled to the Mustang6G forums, there will be a Shelby Coupe and Convertible.
Regarding the Shelby versions of the 6th generation Mustang, the word on the street is that, they will carry the Shelby GT350 moniker with a recent screenshot from Ford’s dealer promo order system that popped up the SVTP forums supporting the story.

The poster of the screenshot noted: "So I just went to order 2015 promo stuff, they list all 2015 models for vehicle photographs and guess what, there is a Shelby GT350 listed!!!!!!! oh by the way, this is dealer promo stuff so its legit, not a shelby ship thru package."


An older report from MustangDaily had said that, the new factory GT350 will use Ford's 5.0-liter Coyote V8 offering more power than the 420+hp GT, but less than the insane GT500 of the outgoing Mustang with its 662-horsepower blown 5.8-liter V8.

As far as the other models in the 2015 Mustang range, the chart does not list the 305hp+ 2.3-liter turbo engine as an option, but this could be explained by the fact that Ford may offer it as an upgrade to the V6.



http://www.carscoops.com/2013/12/shelby-coupe-and-convertible-listed-on.html

HSE2
5th January 2014, 01:58 PM
Flat plane crank has been tested but appears to be ruled out due to instability.

Bit disappointed to hear this.

JEM
3rd March 2014, 01:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ktIM-dlSTpU

MisterAU
3rd March 2014, 02:01 PM
Sounds the goods - suspension looks very soft but I guess that's normal US fare.

Falc'man
9th April 2014, 03:11 PM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4927&d=1396790979

HSE2
9th April 2014, 03:47 PM
Has my attention

Perko
10th April 2014, 09:49 PM
Cop the exhaust on it! They are a great car BUT I still want my Falcon...

HSE2
10th April 2014, 11:55 PM
When do we think there will be some concrete news re this GT350?

FTe217
11th April 2014, 09:49 AM
Even in camo that pic shows a mean motha phuker stance and rear end !

HSE2
11th April 2014, 08:53 PM
Yes camo should be a option from factory more often then not though.

FTe217
11th April 2014, 10:41 PM
Wrap job Ian !

HSE2
12th April 2014, 05:37 AM
Yeah mate. No I wasn't up when you rang. Early start all weekend.

Falc'man
15th April 2014, 01:06 AM
Regarding styling of the GT350..

" Team Mustang guys have gone on record saying the Hi-Po model was the most radical departure in style from the regular cars that they've ever done."

And user DMV says there won't be SVTs going global... initially. Don't know how long that'll be. He also confirmed Trinity 5.8 is dead, as expected

Falc'man
15th April 2014, 01:13 AM
When do we think there will be some concrete news re this GT350?
It's unknown at this stage but April 17 will see more info on regular Mustang released, expecting power outputs/weights, and your favourite, economy.... I'm regretting plastering the pic of that hot Prius on your wall.

HSE2
15th April 2014, 06:09 PM
Regarding styling of the GT350..

" Team Mustang guys have gone on record saying the Hi-Po model was the most radical departure in style from the regular cars that they've ever done."

And user DMV says there won't be SVTs going global... initially. Don't know how long that'll be. He also confirmed Trinity 5.8 is dead, as expected

For me, it needs to be and I am enthusiastic about what is concealed underneath that camouflage.

4Vman
15th April 2014, 06:20 PM
I am enthusiastic about what is concealed underneath that camouflage.

Ever been to Thailand? careful what you assume or ask for...!

HSE2
15th April 2014, 06:32 PM
Balls under there is exactly what I want.

Elks
15th April 2014, 10:20 PM
Ever been to Thailand? careful what you assume or ask for...!

Hahaha. Same same but different.

FTe217
15th April 2014, 10:25 PM
Ever been to Thailand? careful what you assume or ask for...!

I reminded my 21 yr old son of this not long ago heading off on his 1st OS trip - yes to Thailand :p I said grab them in the between before you go anywhere you'll know :highly_amused: and wear a your own supplied bloody rain coat or your Mum will kill me we get a knock on the door 12mths later !

HSE2
16th April 2014, 04:56 AM
Everything I either don't like or am not sure about with the new car, looks set to be addressed here in this GT350.

This was always going to be the case though. People were trying to see a GT500 in the GT car.

The new Stang would have to be one of the most shopped new cars in recent times. Not sure what that means but I bet the GT350 isn't treated the same way.

Falc'man
22nd April 2014, 09:52 PM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=39241


P8J body code is tagged as a "Shelby Coupe" in the order banks. Available in two levels, package 900A and 920A. Available in a unique color, Avalanche Gray, as well as Competition Orange, Triple Yellow, Deep Impact Blue, Magnetic, Race Red, Black, and Oxford White.

The 900A can be had with SVT Alantra Seats in Ebony or SVT Leather Seats in Ebony. Options include the Track Package, Smokers Package, Tech Package, Navigation, and over-the-top racing stripes in the following colors: black/white, white/black, and blue/black.

The 920A can be had with SVT Alantra Seats in Ebony with Red. Options include the SVT Touring Package, Smokers Package, Navigation, and over-the-top racing stripes in the following colors: black/white, white/black, blue/black, white/red, blue/red, and black/red.

No pricing info for the base Shelby or options yet. Nor is the engine data shown like it is for other '15 Mustang models in the order banks.

More info is likely on the horizon...

HSE2
22nd April 2014, 09:57 PM
Have ford released the power out put for the GT yet?

Falc'man
22nd April 2014, 10:13 PM
They haven't yet. Everyone was expecting something on the 17th but instead they climbed some tower to be met with a motorless jigsaw Mustang. No motor in it should've been a hint.

I'm estimating 330kW and 535Nm for standard GT. Give or take 3kW/Nm on each.

That thread shows the order banks, see first page. I didn't get to read much of it but from they're saying if the price for options are any indication then list pricing should remain competitive. The above quote is relating to GT350.

Also, post 120 "confirms" twin turbo V8 on the way GT500's successor.

MRC is a strong possibility for the Shelbys.

Falc'man
22nd April 2014, 10:20 PM
This is a render only
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-feature

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/14q1/581837/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-artists-rendering-photo-585871-s-1280x782.jpg

HSE2
23rd April 2014, 03:52 AM
That is great news on the GT500.

I suppose that doesn't mean it is an automatic starter for this country but one would like to hope so.

People looking at the last Falcon situation, GTF or xr8, if you didn't require 4 doors or were strong on sentiment, you would have put away the hammer for the piggy bank and be very content with this sort of development on the performance side of Mustang.

A piece of the past or a place in the future.

If these Shelby versions come here, they will redefine performance fords in this country.

Falc'man
17th May 2014, 09:04 PM
Checked out this exhaust note.. Ecoboost V6 or flat-plane-crank-V8?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kz93VmE2Abs

HSE2
18th May 2014, 08:28 AM
V6 for mine.

4Vman
18th May 2014, 08:28 AM
V6 for mine.

Great engine platform.

WASP
18th May 2014, 01:29 PM
Pretty sure that's the Ecoboost T4 with the performance pack

jpd80
19th May 2014, 07:54 PM
Now compare that video with this one with quad exhausts, unmistakable V8 burble.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy__6b3FwOM


tell me what you think...

jpd80
20th May 2014, 06:56 AM
I've also heard that V6 is going to single exhaust, so the EB 2.3 will probably have dual exhausts while V8s already have quad exhausts.

Falc'man
27th May 2014, 10:54 AM
Pretty sure that's the Ecoboost T4 with the performance pack

However this is an SVT mule. The EB2.3 with PP isn't developed by SVT.

Many are saying it's an FPC V8 but I'm still not sure. I would have said V6, like Ian, but the note has no turbo characteristics.

Still baffled with this one. An FPC is closest I reckon. I also think this because the standard V8 has inherited some high rpm features therefore GT350 will need to have peak power at above 7500.

The other question mark over that is if it's FPC then it may not be 5.2 litres - which is regarded as too many cubes/cylinder. If it is an FPC 5.2 then SVT would have done something remarkable.

Too many unknowns.

Falc'man
28th May 2014, 11:32 PM
http://www.projectm71.com/Cross_FlatPlane.htm

Falc'man
30th May 2014, 01:06 PM
Ok here's the latest on the GT350 program.

Names:
I'm now completely confident that name will be GT350. The race car versions will follow the same naming convention for the FR500 and Boss 302 programs. This is a SVT car and will also have the Shelby name on it although Shelby America will not be involved. There will be four models:

GT350 – the base GT350 similar to the Boss 302.
GT350 B/P – similar to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. This is the higher performance GT350 or street legal track day special. B/P stands for SCCA B Production and pays homage to the original cars. The original GT350 won it's very first B/P race and went on to capture the SCCA 1965, 1966 and 1967 B Production championships.
GT350R - for IMSA CTSC GS class racing, the enduro racer.
GT350S - for World Challenge GTS class racing, the sprint racer.

Availability:
The GT350 will be announced at the 2014 LA Auto Show most likely on November 21st the first public day of the show. Look for GT350Mustangs.com to be there for the live announcement. The first we'll see the car at a race will be in the CTSC GS class at Daytona in January 2015. IMSA let Ford race the Boss 302R before production began as they did with GM and the Z/28. Look for the production cars to be available at the earliest in Summer 2015 most likely as a 2016 model. It could be a 2015 model but who really cares?

Engine:
Sorry but no flat plane crank. I know there's lots of rumors on this but it just doesn't make sense for the price point or for the production class racing. If Ford is working on a FPC look for it in a Mach 1 or GT500 a couple of years down the road. What the engine will have is 520 HP in a 5.2L engine with a redline of 8,000 RPM's. While the Boss engine has been pretty bullet proof the weak link has been the valve springs. Look for improved flow in the heads with hardware that can take 8,000 RPM's during the durability testing. To feed those heads there will be a new intake similar to the Cobra Jet intake but with a few tricks added to it to take advantage of the increase flow through the heads and larger bore. A new larger throttle body will be paired with the intake. Shorty headers will be stock but with slightly larger primaries to take advantage of the increased flow. The really big news will be the GT350 will be the first Mustang with direct injection.

Brakes:
We've already seen mules with carbon ceramic brakes with 15" rotors in the front and 14" rotors in the rear. They will be matched with six piston front and four piston rear Brembo calipers. This time around the B/P will have more track oriented brake pads compared to the base GT350.

Wheels and tires:
The GT350 will have Michelin Pilot Super Sport in 295/35/19 and 265/35/19 on 11" and 10" wide wheels. This will open up larger rubber on the stock wheels come replacement time.

The big news is the GT350 B/P will have Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. It's possible they could show up with Pirelli P Zero Trefeo R's but it will depend on what manufacturer Ford contracts with.

Suspension:
The cars will have Multimatic dampers with DSSV technology. The base GT350 and B/P will have different valving but will be identical otherwise. The beauty of this is you can upgrade the base dampers with the B/P cartridge for more damping control. Yes I know the Z/28 has them too but Multimatic uses the same technology in F1 cars so think of it in those terms. The R and S cars will also have DSSV dampers with remote reservoirs on them. The street dampers will have nothing in common with the race dampers other than using a DSSV cartridge and being made my Multimatic.

Differential:
No electronic controlled diff like the new Stingray. Look for a Torsen similar to the Boss 302.

Transmission:
Sorry but the Getrag MT82 remains the stock transmission. Look for improvements in durability and smoothness. The transmission will have an auto blip feature.

Clutch:
Look for a twin disc clutch similar to what Ford uses in the GT500.

Driveshaft:
It will have a carbon fiber driveshaft similar to the current GT500.

http://gt350mustangs.com/index.php?topic=76.0...

HSE2
30th May 2014, 01:20 PM
Some brilliant information there Youssef. Greatly appreciated.

jpd80
31st May 2014, 06:58 PM
Wow, a 520 hp engine with 8,000 redline. The character of that engine will beg drivers to wring it right out.....

JEM
4th June 2014, 11:13 PM
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-gt350-spied-inside-and-out-photo-gallery-82063.html

Falc'man
4th June 2014, 11:50 PM
Probably stock GT gauges in this prototype if redline is 6.5k.
That actually serves as good news for the GT motor; more peak power without the need for more revs always means a good in increase in the torque plateau - assuming 6.5k is the redline as reported in article.

Falc'man
4th June 2014, 11:56 PM
On second thoughts....

The changes to coyote indicate more revs ala roadrunner so I don't know what's going on there.

..although

Falc'man
6th June 2014, 03:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTwwHTGT8A

Falc'man
6th June 2014, 03:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NijwObjdlW4#t=18

Falc'man
10th June 2014, 08:56 PM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7392&d=1402372958

JEM
10th June 2014, 10:05 PM
Yep, NEMA Mexico have been working in it for a while now.

Falc'man
10th June 2014, 10:29 PM
Yep, NEMA Mexico have been working in it for a while now.

Can you confirm it's Coyote based? Going off the note(s) from the vids it sounds like it is.

Twin Turbo
11th June 2014, 02:06 AM
Hi guys

First post here, having been directed here by Falc'man :)

I'm English, but I spend most of my time on www.mustang6g.com and have been following the S550 development from day 1............and GT350 is just the latest piece of the puzzle.

"Confirmation" of the 5.2 capacity in interesting............if only they'd stated FPC or CPC!! I don't mind what powers it, as long as it's sounds like a proper muscle car and, traditionally a FPC does NOT sound that way.

Looking forward to hanging out with some fellow Mustang fans over here :)


(BTW, my toy is a 2005 Mustang GT, and she's a garage queen. Daily driver activity is handled by an e46 BMW 330i)

FTe217
11th June 2014, 07:17 AM
Welcome TT look forward to your input.

flappist
11th June 2014, 08:14 AM
Welcome to the forum.

Falc'man
11th June 2014, 08:52 AM
Hi Paul. Thanks for joining - welcome to the forum :)

HSE2
11th June 2014, 05:32 PM
Wow, Welcome Paul and thanks Youssef.

JEM
16th June 2014, 05:54 PM
Can you confirm it's Coyote based? Going off the note(s) from the vids it sounds like it is.

Well it's definitely not 5.4/condor based. 5.4 gets retired next year.

Falc'man
18th June 2014, 11:16 PM
Well it's definitely not 5.4/condor based. 5.4 gets retired next year.

Yes the Trinity has been discontinued but the line it was built on underwent some changes, to what extent I have no idea. They could be using it for something other than Voodoo? The latest is it's based off Coyote but initially I was told based off the old block. Then that source came back and said it's coyote as well. It's just that the changes to Trinity's line had me guessing it may not be Coyote.

Apart from that one source who I am not all that familiar with has said it's coming out with direct injection. That conflicts with earlier reports. Without going exotic on the induction manifold they'll be struggling to crack the 100hp/l benchmark. In relative terms for it's price - in the US at least - that would still be unparalleled value.

Which brings me to my next point. Ford, both here and in the US, build the best value for money V8s on Earth. Basking in it while I can, that's all.

HSE2
16th July 2014, 04:52 AM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/new-svt-gt350-2462.html?

HSE2
16th July 2014, 05:14 AM
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1090132_2016-ford-mustang-gt350-svt-spy-shots-and-video

FTe217
16th July 2014, 09:11 AM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/new-svt-gt350-2462.html?

Thats looks pretty mean - track set up, dumped low with stickys on, must have steered great.

TICK4D-TAS
16th July 2014, 10:29 AM
Now, this is the only mustang I will be considering.

TICK4D-TAS
16th July 2014, 10:32 AM
This is horn!

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2016-ford-mustang-gt350-svt-spy-shots_100472726_l.jpg

4Vman
16th July 2014, 10:32 AM
Symmetrical rim/tyre package by the looks of it, is this normal for Mustang?

FTe217
16th July 2014, 10:47 AM
Thats the thing - we are all newbies re Mustang unless Youssef gets on and advise's, Then all depends what FoA will get in options/models as we all know.
We always notice that the hipo Shelbys have staggered set ups but not as per that track comoed one.

Like Tim says the more you see of these sport versions the more I could live with only 2doors being a gargae queen.

4Vman
16th July 2014, 10:50 AM
Thats the thing - we are all newbies re Mustang unless Youssef gets on and advise's, Then all depends what FoA will get in options/models as we all know.
We always notice that the hipo Shelbys have staggered set ups but not as per that track comoed one.

Like Tim says the more you see of these sport versions the more I could live with only 2doors being a gargae queen.

Looks a bit odd without some stagger, maybe the weight distribution of S550 requires symmetrical rims.

FTe217
16th July 2014, 10:52 AM
yer agree - also that the tyre definately is small for the rims.

WASP
16th July 2014, 12:21 PM
How friggen hot does that look and sound.

HSE2
16th July 2014, 01:00 PM
The sound of the future.

FTe217
16th July 2014, 01:37 PM
That you won't buy :)

TICK4D-TAS
16th July 2014, 03:19 PM
That you won't buy :)

We'll see................

HSE2
17th July 2014, 04:44 AM
http://email.admail.net/url/1504373/48009/

TICK4D-TAS
16th September 2014, 12:14 PM
I found this on facebook today.

http://wot.motortrend.com/1409_ford_shelby_mustang_gt350_to_get_5_2_liter_fl at_plane_crank_v_8.html?sm_id=social_20140915_3165 6216

Interesting that they think testing has begun on a 5.2L flat plane crank V8.

Falc'man
19th November 2014, 09:50 PM
It'll be worth reading through this thread if you haven't done so recently.

Some info has been very solid and only a little has been off the mark.

Look at posts 40 & 57. Most importantly see post 19..!

Besides the above, this Voodoo is no Coyote. I was told it was to be based off the old Trinity platform. Now that Hameedi has spoken he's confirmed it's a totally new engine. Maybe built on the same line as Trinity.

Falc'man
19th November 2014, 09:52 PM
Q: How much were you able to share with the 5.0L?
A: There are little common parts (i.e. things in the valve train), but it’s pretty much an all-new engine: new heads, new casting, new intake, new crank, new pistons, new rods, new halfshafts....

Falc'man
21st November 2014, 11:37 AM
The racier version of the Boss 302 was the LS (Laguna Seca)
Likewise with this GT350 there's going to be a racier version, the GT350R, which would be in the same vain as the Porsche GT3.


"The best part of the GT350 story is that the car in LA isn't even the true Z/28 stalker. That'll be the still-behind-the-curtain GT350R (to put it in context, the R will be the Laguna Seca to the GT350's Boss 302), and it should be ultramega great. Look for that one—with better brakes, tweaked aero, stickier rubber, and more—in Detroit come January."

www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/future-car-news/there-will-be-no-shelby-gt350-mustang-convertible

Bigger front splitter like the one on the Nürburgring and rear brake ducts...
...Carbon Ceramic Brakes...Carbon Fiber wheels from Carbon Revolution in 11" F and 11.5" R. Rear Seat Delete...

In addition to the above speculation I think it may have more power as well.

Falc'man
27th November 2014, 07:39 PM
There will be two... a BIW racing version for santioned GS IMSA racing and a more race inspired streetable GT350 with more go-fast goodies and aero.


Top notch is correct I've heard the number production will be very low possibly around 1000 vehicles. Owners will be heavily encouraged to participate in the racing series. Rumor is Ford may do something to screen buyers to make sure they don't just get stored away and go unused....

Falc'man
28th November 2014, 05:33 PM
Flat plane crank has been tested but appears to be ruled out due to instability.

So, they almost did abandon FPC...





Flat-plane crankshaft spins 'Voodoo' into Ford’s new Shelby V8


http://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/13709_20729.jpg

This is the view of the 2015 Shelby GT350 that Ford engineers predict most Camaro Z-28 and Porsche 911 GT3 owners will see when the new hi-po Mustang hits the streets and track days early next year. Click on the link in the text to hear what the new 5.2-L flat-plane-crank V8 sounds like on the track. Ford will release engine visuals at a later date. (For more images click on the small arrow at the upper right corner of this box.)

So you think the Corvette Stingray and Jaguar F-Type play the wildest V8 soundtracks through their active-exhaust systems? Or you say nothing beats a Ferrari 458 for pure aural delight? Well, you haven’t heard Ford’s 2015 Shelby GT350 Mustang on rising throttle. From tip-in to WOT the new Shelby, powered by a unique naturally aspirated 5.2-L DOHC V8 that was coded “Voodoo” during development, plays a downright diabolical tune from its four exhaust outlets.

“When we would start up the first prototypes in the engineering garage, everybody’s heads turned: ‘What the heck is that?’” recalled Raj Nair, Ford’s Group Vice President of Global Product Development, in an interview with Automotive Engineering prior to the 2014 L.A. Auto Show. “When we’d transit the cars between facilities in Dearborn you’d hear their echo out on Oakwood Boulevard. Anybody at our proving ground who heard these cars knew there was something very different under the hood.”

There will be customers who will buy the latest Shelby Mustang for its 20% stiffer body structure (compared with the Mustang GT), its racetrack-focused chassis tuning, enormous Brembo brakes, responsive MagneRide damping, Recaro seats, and many other vehicle attributes. Others, however, will want the car for its howling exhaust note alone. The sound is created by the engine’s special flat-plane crankshaft and its related breathing and ignition characteristics.

So named because its four connecting-rod journals are spaced 180° apart, the shaft appears “flat” in a single plane when viewed head-on. The arrangement generally does away with the large counterweights used in the typical 90° "cross plane" layout which helps reduce crankshaft mass and enables the engine to rev more freely. The new Ford spins to a heady 8000 rpm before fuel cut-off, according to Nair, and has another 250 rpm of safe headroom. This from mildly oversquare 94 x 92.7-mm bore and stroke dimensions.

Long the province of European high-performance V8s from Ferrari, Lotus, Cosworth (the legendary DFV Formula 1 unit) and others, flat-plane cranks were also used in the first Cadillac V8 in 1914 . The configuration gives an alternating right-left-right-left firing order across the cylinder banks, allowing more efficient gas flow and exhaust-gas scavenging along with improved throttle response and exotic exhaust acoustics.

Compression ratio of the port-injected, Coyote-based 5.2-L is 12:1 and max cylinder pressure is 97 bar (1406 psi), an engineer said. Final SAE power and torque ratings are not yet finalized, but the V8 will deliver at least 500 hp (373 kW) and more than 400 lb·ft (542 N·m), according to Jamal Hameedi, Chief Engineer, Ford Global Performance Vehicles.

Hear the V8 sing in this video courtesy of Ford (turn up your volume setting first):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxKhiCh9r0k

Flat-plane-crank engines have limitations. First, the lack of counterweight balancing typically limits cylinder displacement to about 4.5-4.6-L due to greater second-order vibration. Ford has solved that in the 5.2-L application with a new crankshaft-mounted damper system and extraordinary attention to NVH abatement during the design and prototype phases. According to Nair, the engine program (which was concurrent with GT350 vehicle development) nearly wasn’t approved for production.

“This [vibration] was our biggest engineering challenge even after we had the first prototype,” Nair noted. “Things were breaking and the technical guys were worried. Whether or not we continued down the flat-plane-crank path for GT350 came down to a critical prototype drive we had scheduled. After that drive, we all went into a meeting room for the debriefing. And we unanimously concluded that we simply had to have this motor! We were determined to solve the issues.”

What followed was, in Nair’s words, “a lot of stiffening of the cylinder block, exhaust system, and various brackets” achieved through an intense FEA analysis, plus “a lot of tuning.” Nair said the result yielded unique torsional-damping technology among other patent-pending actions aimed at taming the beast.

The 5.2-L is naturally aspirated by design; boosting was not part of the plan. “We really wanted to stay with naturally-aspirated technologies for instantaneous throttle response” along with a feeling of minimal flywheel effect, Nair explained. He’s familiar with both qualities as a longtime motorcyclist who rides a Yamaha R1 sportbike on the street and at track days.

Other challenges with flat-plane-crank engines include their tendency to deliver underwhelming torque. Nair admitted that the GT350 “doesn’t have that electric-motor feel off idle that the GT500 has” but the latter also uses a blown 5.8-L rated at 631 lb·ft/855 N·m. Increasing cylinder displacement (via larger bore) to 5.2-L, which is 700-cc larger than Ferrari's V8 used in the 458, helped overcome some of the torque deficit. Nair also noted that optimizing the intake and exhaust systems for power, efficiency, and meeting cold-start emissions was tricky.

“Even the unequal-length headers we selected, to some extent, to help with catalyst light-off,” he said.

According to Hameedi, the 5.2-L V8 has a linerless aluminum cylinder block that features bores finished using PTWA (Plasma Transfer Wire Arc), an advanced coating technology co-developed by Ford and Flame-Spray Industries that debuted on the 2011 GT500 5.4-L V8. For PTWA details see http://articles.sae.org/7624/.

Supplier sources involved with the 5.2L V8 program said Ford broadcast an initial volume plan for production of 5000 units.

http://articles.sae.org/13709/

Falc'man
29th November 2014, 01:08 PM
Price for GT350 is rumoured to be US$52,995.

Falc'man
4th December 2014, 07:48 PM
HorsepowerKings | November 21, 2014

http://horsepowerkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Image19.png

SVT is hard at work on the new GT500, according to fresh reports out of Dearborn. The powerplant is unknown at this time, but we are hearing that this engine could be “well over the 700HP mark”, all while “breathing through a straw”. Take it for what it’s worth, but we perceive that as a hint towards Forced Induction (low boost from the factory?).

Regardless, we expect this new beast to depart from the now highly-discussed Flat Plane Crank. Traditionally, the GT350 has always been aimed towards track use, while the GT500 is more of an earth-rotating, straight line freeway runner.

As far as power delivery, as you all know, the Hellcat is producing just north of 700HP, so we would be shocked if Ford doesn’t take it one step further.

“Our new SVT Halo Mustang will have more HP than the Hellcat” claims a Ford rep from a recent CNN interview. Hold on to your butts.

http://horsepowerkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Image21.jpg

If this new behemoth will be a forced induction car, than we can safely assume that Ford will stick with the traditional lobe crankshaft, or at least depart from the 5.2L GT350 platform. The new GT350 if a high compression car, so running boost through it would require quite significant changes.

Another topic worthy of discussion is weight savings. We all know Ford has recently invested heavily in Aluminum materials and tooling, primarily for the new F-150 line – but SVT has also added a heavy dose of weight savings to the new GT350 in terms of carbon forged plastic and aluminum fenders. Could we see a new GT500 with more liberal use of aluminum? Could we see this car come in at 700+HP and weigh less than 3,600 lbs from the factory?

When can we expect some hard info on this new SVT Halo car? Time will tell, but our sources seem to believe that this car will be released 2017 model year, so we expect a preview in the Summer of 2015, if not sooner.

http://horsepowerkings.com/is-ford-getting-ready-to-announce-a-750-hp-svt-mustang/

Falc'man
4th December 2014, 07:49 PM
In case you feel the torque will be lacking I'm tipping Ford will offer this with the 10sp auto as well.

4Vman
4th December 2014, 07:51 PM
Love it!

Taking the competition on head to head, punch for punch. Ill see your hellcat and raise you one. Like the old days, anyone want to guess how Ford came up with 351ci?!!

Everyone leap frogging each other year on year.

Such a shame we'll be spectators in the war.

4Vman
10th December 2014, 05:10 PM
Interview with Trevor Worthington VP Product Development:


When asked whether Australia might receive the most powerful Mustang of all *– the recently revealed 373kW naturally aspirated V8-powered Shelby GT350 – Ford shook its head, affirming no plans to stray from left-hand drive production for the track focused special.

“When you start out from the beginning to design a car that’s left-hand drive or right-hand drive you take a totally different approach,” says Trevor Worthington, Vice President of Product Development of Ford Asia Pacific, “the GT350 is, in many ways, such a unique car, that it really would require a significant amount of engineering and validation. Never say never… but I can’t see it happening.”

Nor does Ford believe demand could sway things in our favour: “I would probably think you wouldn’t get that amount of demand [for the GT350] to justify, in right-hand drive markets, all of the engineering that would be required to do that.” Worthington added.

4Vman
10th December 2014, 05:29 PM
I can't actually believe what I just read.......

flappist
10th December 2014, 05:50 PM
I can't actually believe what I just read.......

Why not?

Most of the rest of the RHD market can also have LHD cars, our market would be minute.

4Vman
10th December 2014, 05:55 PM
Why not?

Most of the rest of the RHD market can also have LHD cars, our market would be minute.

FML... you need to go to spec savers mate....

Falc'man
10th December 2014, 06:09 PM
Don't worry about what Trev said, we'll get a hi-po Mustang.

HSE2
10th December 2014, 08:41 PM
What he means Norm, that in the Us they only ever turn left on race tracks, so they have only engineered the oil delivery system for Gforce on those 33 degree banks that go to the left.

It would require a completley different focus amd effort to include right hand turns.

4Vman
10th December 2014, 08:45 PM
Is this like the phenomenon where you flush the toilet in the northern hemisphere and it turns anti clockwise and in the southern hemisphere clockwise?!!

defective
10th December 2014, 10:07 PM
Is this gonna be the Aussie high performance mustang?

Pic taken from herrods bookface
http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag9/jamesnst/imagejpg1_zpsd6033745.jpg (http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/jamesnst/media/imagejpg1_zpsd6033745.jpg.html)

FPV+fteT3
11th December 2014, 07:35 AM
No its not going to be the performance version, its the version where people pay lots of money to ruin a perfectly good car.

4Vman
11th December 2014, 07:37 AM
No its not going to be the performance version, its the version where people pay lots of money to ruin a perfectly good car.

Also known as "the aftermarket"...

flappist
11th December 2014, 09:35 AM
No its not going to be the performance version, its the version where people pay lots of money to ruin a perfectly good car.

For each person, their car should be what they wish it to be.

For some massive mods with gazillions of killerwasps is the go while for others, how it came from the factory will do nicely.

A decade ago it was not difficult to mod cars without strange interactions and effects but the current FGx XR8 for example is a very complex machine with finely tuned DSC and engine management.
Sticking different wheels and huge tyres, lowering, changing sway bar and winding it up to 1000 HP will not make a nice balanced safe performance vehicle, it will make a nasty, unpredictable monster which if all you want to do is go 0-400 occasionally and spend the rest of your time driving slowly in traffic will not be a huge problem.
Of the other hand if you like playing in corners and on crap roads you may get a big fright or worse.

I know my F6 bit me several times when I did not expect it to with power coming on at the wrong time and bouncing into an out of balance crossup on the side of a hill.

HSE2
11th December 2014, 03:34 PM
I am just as happy if the Americans keep their hero models LHD only.

It is better if we can look after ourselves anyway. There can never been enough videos featuring Bricktop

4Vman
11th December 2014, 03:40 PM
To be honest I think we'd do a faster, more powerful better more tasteful job anyway.

4Vman
11th December 2014, 03:40 PM
I am just as happy if the Americans keep their hero models LHD only.

It is better if we can look after ourselves anyway. There can never been enough videos featuring Bricktop

#mancrush

Futura
11th December 2014, 09:32 PM
The question remains, have Ford Australia has the money to develop our own special performance mustang to match the likes of the Shelby mustangs of America?

4Vman
11th December 2014, 09:36 PM
The question remains, have Ford Australia has the money to develop our own special performance mustang to match the likes of the Shelby mustangs of America?

Well time will tell. Our next hope is the more street friendly GT500, more in the vein of the Hellcat, brutal forced induction power in a Luxo performance package.

Pretty much what a FPV Miami Mustang would be.

Franco Cozzo
11th December 2014, 09:37 PM
There is probably no reason to invest the coin into doing one because there is going to be no competitor to the regular Mustang GT in its price range anyway since there will be no Camaro or Challenger in RHD.

4Vman
11th December 2014, 09:38 PM
There is probably no reason to invest the coin into doing one because there is going to be no competitor to the regular Mustang GT in its price range anyway since there will be no Camaro or Challenger in RHD.

Srt8 300 is staying RHD, Charger will be RHD too.

Futura
11th December 2014, 09:45 PM
There is probably no reason to invest the coin into doing one because there is going to be no competitor to the regular Mustang GT in its price range anyway since there will be no Camaro or Challenger in RHD.

I'm sure Holden will have some sort of rear wheel drive V8 in their future line up.

Franco Cozzo
11th December 2014, 09:48 PM
Srt8 300 is staying RHD, Charger will be RHD too.

Different class both those cars, sedans.

But I guess people will cross shop on price rather than just category of car, I know I do.


I'm sure Holden will have some sort of rear wheel drive V8 in their future line up.

Chevrolet Silverado, bring back the SS variant lol.

If we were to do a faster variant, how would you do it assuming we're limited to working with what we have? So NA 5L V8 engine:

- Headwork
- Cams
- Compression increase
- Aggressive tune (but emissions regulations might knock this out?)

What else can you do to NA V8s to make them put out more power, but still keep it within emissions regulations and budget constraints?

OR

Would you base the go fast variant on the 2.3L ecoboost where it might be "easier" (read, cheaper) to get more power out of with tune alone or together with a swap of turbo?

Falc'man
12th December 2014, 02:25 AM
Srt8 300 is staying RHD, Charger will be RHD too.

That will be bowing out not long after the final VFs. After that they'll be switching over to FWD.

I'm curious, where did they say Charger will be RHD?

And to go off on a tangent, why are we fixated with targeting/comparing Mustang to/with American products when it could be pitched at Euro products? That's good enough reason to press ahead with a hipo mustang.

Also, what feature have you noticed being dropped by ALL the high-end/V8 performance Euro/Jap products that Mustang still has?

Falc'man
12th December 2014, 02:57 AM
Damo, if Ford Australia were to commission a hipo Mustang there'd be too much overlap with the core product, so it'd be viewed as a waste of money.

Mustang's rollout globally does not have to be in one hit for the whole range. The US doesn't get the Shelby for another year. We don't get the standard Mustang for another 8 or so months. Jamal hasn't ruled it out. Trevor said he doesn't know, I think because he didn't want to detract from the Mustang itself. That is the consistent line used by Ford for the global audience; "no" & "maybe". Plus, we'd be naive in thinking they haven't noticed the interest in the GT350 globally.

I'll stick to the earliest source's info - it won't be available.. initially.

Falc'man
12th December 2014, 03:00 AM
Rob Herrod's photo: purely aftermarket and his product would have nothing to do with Ford. He has the benefit of being Ford Motorsport's official dealer here and I guess people in Australia would be forgiven in thinking it's "factory" Ford enhanced.

4Vman
12th December 2014, 05:39 AM
That will be bowing out not long after the final VFs. After that they'll be switching over to FWD.

I'm curious, where did they say Charger will be RHD?

And to go off on a tangent, why are we fixated with targeting/comparing Mustang to/with American products when it could be pitched at Euro products? That's good enough reason to press ahead with a hipo mustang.

Also, what feature have you noticed being dropped by ALL the high-end/V8 performance Euro/Jap products that Mustang still has?
Dont be so sure about that.

http://www.theage.com.au/drive/motor-news/chrysler-bringing-unique-beast-to-australia-20141121-11qyrw.html

Personally i don't see Mustang appealing to the Benz/BMW Coupe type of customer, it's too "American"...

This is why in the early days i felt so strongly about divorcing the Mustang's styling from its retro roots.

GT350 is the wrong kind of product to pitch against the AMG's of the world, a GT500 would be a better fit, as long as it was focused on refinement and luxury as much as performance.

HSE2
12th December 2014, 06:59 AM
The question remains, have Ford Australia has the money to develop our own special performance mustang to match the likes of the Shelby mustangs of America?

It would depend on a lot of things. Its about seeing an opportunity then working out if a business case stacks up.


Right now our dollar is heading right where we said it would. In 2015 its very possible we will see 70cents.

If this happens you will see the automotive landscape change drastically from the flooded market we have now.

As a political statement the US stuffs nearly everything they touch.

If they say they don't want to, cant be bothered, to lazy, to inept just flippen hopeless to cater to the RHD market, that's a good result.

Stay home don't bother getting out of bed because no one really wants to be dictated to by Americans any longer. We are tired of it.

If you have a problem, you are better off dealing with it yourself.

The strength of doing something like this officially would be to export. "if" the dollar does come down to those Ross Greenwood numbers and stays there, well just like the US all of a sudden become self sufficient with oil, opportunism will present.

Ford Aust by itself aren't interested in servicing such a market. On actions they would rather nothing passionate has ever occurred in this country, so another body will have to push such a partnership.


Some inside of Ford Australia can see the issues coming, can see where this plan is deficient and are constantly thinking about what can be done.

Right now it would be unlikely and it would only take those the US to one day wake up and say, "Here's an idea, lets build truly global products"

If I were asked my opinion, provided the business case stacked up I would definitely be saying don't import Shelby cars at all.

We mostly definitely can and would build better examples and it would be proven on a world stage.

The press in a country like England would grab a real GT500 and test against our version and we would win. The only thing holding us back has been budget.

Put the right business people together and the budget probably takes care of itself.

Things like crash testing would be a killer I would think

This is where I have no emotional attachment for American products. There is no bone of sentiment attached to the product so I would not have an draw to support their product. I would pay more to support our own derivative though.

In a heart beat.

4Vman
12th December 2014, 07:06 AM
If the $AUD hits $USD0.70 we're all in for a lot more pain this time round...

I'm a broken record about this but we need to preserve some kind of manufacturing in this country or we're all over a barrel.

As an example that $70K GT mustang just went up to $85K...

I can see a massive export opportunity here for us.

Paxton
12th December 2014, 07:31 AM
If the $AUD hits $USD0.70 we're all in for a lot more pain this time round...

I'm a broken record about this but we need to preserve some kind of manufacturing in this country or we're all over a barrel.

As an example that $70K GT mustang just went up to $85K...

I can see a massive export opportunity here for us.

Too late now. Ford, Holden and Toyota's decision is set in stone.

HSE2
12th December 2014, 07:56 AM
As an example that $70K GT mustang just went up to $85K...

I can see a massive export opportunity here for us.

No I doubt that would happen. It would first mean we would lose equipment. Our V8 comes with eh performance pack, they would drop that and make it an option.

That would be my Guess

Falc'man
12th December 2014, 08:32 AM
Dont be so sure about that.

http://www.theage.com.au/drive/motor-news/chrysler-bringing-unique-beast-to-australia-20141121-11qyrw.htmlThat is the current platform. After this last facelift the 300 will go to a FWD platform.

Falc'man
12th December 2014, 08:35 AM
Personally i don't see Mustang appealing to the Benz/BMW Coupe type of customer, it's too "American"...

This is why in the early days i felt so strongly about divorcing the Mustang's styling from its retro roots.

GT350 is the wrong kind of product to pitch against the AMG's of the world, a GT500 would be a better fit, as long as it was focused on refinement and luxury as much as performance.

I never thought the M3 would ever get outsold by the (load and in your face) C63.

4Vman
12th December 2014, 08:37 AM
I never thought the M3 would ever get outsold by the (load and in your face) C63.

LOL, the C63 has made the M3 almost irrelevant.... and i bet the M3 is probably quicker around a circuit..!

Since its inception the C63 has outsold the M3 here 2:1... and id suggest as its gained in popularity and folklore in the past 2 years closer to 3:1.

Falc'man
13th December 2014, 04:38 AM
Ford's power suggestions of over 500hp and 400ft.lbs have given me a bum steer. It seems.

It is over 500hp and over 400ft.lbs. Not over 500hp, with 400ft.lbs.

That makes more sense I think.

HSE2
13th December 2014, 05:46 AM
Wonder if one ford will succeed and drag the USA into the metric world

Falc'man
14th December 2014, 03:26 AM
The more I learn about the 5.2 the more I'm impressed. Put it this way - the very first rumour to hit the net about Voodoo suggested 600hp, and every other bit of info from that initial rumour has been correct.

Going back to my post above regarding torque - that is a telltale of it's efficiency, which is a good scale used to estimate power. Saying it's over 400ft.lbs is quite significant because it means the motor has gained efficiency rather than gone backwards like I first thought. The increase of capacity is purely for breathing purposes with the larger bore, (the effect of extra cubes is a bonus by-product). Increasing bore improves efficiency. Efficiency is also improved due to significantly lighter internals from a flat plane crank, which also means alternating firing order which helps in scavenging exhaust gases and that is another plus for efficiency. Win, win, win.

To summarise, there's a definite improvement in volumetric efficiency over the 5.0's already excellent value. This translates to a minimum of 550hp, with 600 very plausible.

galaxy xr8
14th December 2014, 09:19 AM
The more I learn about the 5.2 the more I'm impressed. Put it this way - the very first rumour to hit the net about Voodoo suggested 600hp, and every other bit of info from that initial rumour has been correct.

Going back to my post above regarding torque - that is a telltale of it's efficiency, which is a good scale used to estimate power. Saying it's over 400ft.lbs is quite significant because it means the motor has gained efficiency rather than gone backwards like I first thought. The increase of capacity is purely for breathing purposes with the larger bore, (the effect of extra cubes is a bonus by-product). Increasing bore improves efficiency. Efficiency is also improved due to significantly lighter internals from a flat plane crank, which also means alternating firing order which helps in scavenging exhaust gases and that is another plus for efficiency. Win, win, win.

To summarise, there's a definite improvement in volumetric efficiency over the 5.0's already excellent value. This translates to a minimum of 550hp, with 600 very plausible.

I wonder what this baby would red line to as well ?.

Falc'man
14th December 2014, 10:10 AM
Redline is 8200.

Falc'man
26th December 2014, 03:37 AM
Just a few things.

Latest Ford press release says the first GT350 will be auctioned off for charity. In the description of the spec they have now reworded it to say more than 400ft-lb. Which is good.

Also, some major announcement is set for Mustang at the end of January. Or so it is said.

And lastly, here's an old video that I can't remember watching.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkYlKhtBHw

Falc'man
30th December 2014, 08:32 PM
An S550 part on fordparts.com has been labeled with "Shelby Cobra GT500" apparently.

4Vman
30th December 2014, 08:33 PM
A glimmer of hope!

Falc'man
30th December 2014, 08:41 PM
Take note of the extra height on the bonnet.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16520&stc=1&d=1419928458

Falc'man
9th January 2015, 10:28 AM
RUMOR:

The 2015/'16 GT350 will start at $53,000. I have heard this quite often and increasingly as of late. The Track Package is said to be more costly than the GT's "PP". The GT350 shouldn't break $60,000 to be competitive with the z28.

There is suppose to be a "Track Package" that is priced above the GT's "Performance Package". This "GT350TP" is the car they used to go head to head with the 2015 z28... Not the GT350R. According to a number of different birdies, the GT350 is not only head to head with the z28, it is more stable, inspires more confidence and, can actually perform consistent laps AS IS. There are a good number of tracks and an even better number of laps the GT350 bested the z28. Although, there is a "Spot" where the z28 is very competitive (tires and brakes are hot). There are areas that the z28 cannot be matched in when it is hot. Most of this has a great deal to do with the tires. The GT350 is "Faster than the Continental Tire Boss 302 in equal rubber". This will be a pretty big boast if they go public with this approach. It is likely they keep their mouths shut and let the media sort it out. I can't remember what the z28 did at Laguna Seca but, a 2011 Boss 302R was doing laps at Laguna in under 1:35.

The GT350R is a COMPETITION MODEL. Some say it is Competition ONLY, Some say it is (and will) be advertised as SCCA compliant (Like the 2011 GT350NA was). I have heard this from a pretty reliable guy. I am looking for a follow up to this but haven't heard anything back. From what I was told about the GT350, the GT350R is going to be a near Pro GT Class Competition Racecar. As in, a serious racecar. This would thwart any plans Chevy had on luring Ford into a HALO car battle with a Pig Tit. If you want a GT350 equipped with all the fixins' then option a GT350 that way.

No Convertible!!! This could be a way they save some major weight. Taking out that extra 50-70lbs of unneeded reinforcement. Might leave it in though, it could be adding some serious rigidity. The Mustang NEVER had a scalable platform like this...

You see, the GT350 is completely new from the A Pillar up. This means that the actual platform has been developed with interchangeable sub sections. A lot like the new M3/M4. The M4 was developed FIRST and then the car was scaled down. The GT350 could have an All Aluminum Cradle in the front. That is the only one of two reasons vehicles are develop like this. To add in/take out sections for more model flexibility AND, to add/remove sections for greater Global flexibility to take on multiple body styles across multiple platforms. In both situations, it usually saves weight and money initially. It cost more to replace parts long term but saves money in labor time. It's kind of a wash.... Major drawbacks using a Global platform though.

My friends at Camaro6 loves to hear me talk about the Alpha, apparently thePill is all the rage over there.

I will never understand their enthusiasm for a shared platform in this day and age of the automobile. It's 2015 for pities sake, time for a dedicated platform for the Camaro. The Alpha is what they needed in 2003, it's not gonna help you much in this situation. It could be catastrophic long term, especially when they didn't change the general look.

(Cont...)...



Detroit or Die!!!

Chevy needs to preview something, Ford is continuously going upside their head. Right now, a preview of the 6th Gen over a year out will KILL the remaining sales. The 20% off sale hit them hard for sure, there is obviously less units on the lot. Remember they did have 30,000 unsold vehicles when you tally'd up the production/sales numbers. If they do show a 6th Gen, the 5th Gen's remaining sales lead will vanish.

What about a n additional package for the z28? I've asked around but nobody has even looked into anything Camaro. They could show it now and it get delayed... then sales would continue to tank for the next 18-22 months while lots get filled.

Could we see an LS9 Camaro to take the platform out? We are talking a $90,000 Camaro that weighs 4300lbs. Probably still sporting a 1.9l blower.

I know Chevy has something set aside, I'm just not sure it's anything z28 or Camaro. A peek at the 6th Gen now will see sales dropped significantly. They only sold 6000 cars last month, even with the fire sale. They were likely in danger of selling less than the Chally. Oh god, what would Fenwick say then?

For some reason, the good people at Chevrolet's Social Media want me banned from ALL Automotive Forums. These are the same people that had me banned at Camaro5 for warning about a sales slump after the 3rd year of sales. I also warned of a refresh around that time period. I called attention to the ZL1's 4150lbs curb weight, over a year before it was official... the 600+ HP GT500 (they laughed in 2010, shit themselves in 2012).

One of the main voices that were adamant on the legality of the z28 in road racing...

...doesn't want me to post on the internet anymore

I know this doesn't really mean much but, a certain GM employee has already begun the back peddling from the "It's not going to be heavier" comment for the 6th Gen.

Are we going to see an actual lightweight Camaro n Detroit? With the C7 already pushing 3500lbs in All Aluminum and a 3.6 ATS already just over that... it will be difficult.

They could always fatten the 5th Gen up right before it is discontinued. Then in 2016, a 3970lbs LT1 Camaro WILL be lighter. The 2015 Camaro is 3935lbs for a manual already, almost 4000lbs in a automatic.

They also DO NOT have a naturally aspirated engine to compete with the Flat Snake...

Edit: GOOD NEWS for Ford in CTSCC

The z28 was docked another 7mm of restriction before the season ended. Reports suggest that the mighty LS7 will take yet another 5mm of restriction on in the near future. Right now, the z28 uses a 68mm R-Tube (down from 75mm, down from 80mm). The Boss 302 used a 57mm... Both used a 90mm Throttle Body.

The z28 will not be a dominant this year. In fact, that large restriction will likely cause engine trouble.

Falc'man
22nd January 2015, 11:47 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10868094_816181131782689_5341366138369303200_n.jpg ?oh=d4d3e78f8d27ded25228acb67bd7166e&oe=556C8070&__gda__=1432163756_8025e6e7d3295c329ef2d4a94f4677c f

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18710&stc=1&d=1421865795

Falc'man
22nd January 2015, 09:42 PM
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10947306_816374198430049_691019024123169950_n.jpg? oh=e293ec6ba3ef6f72d44fd1af9a33d95d&oe=55296A7E

Bluestuff1
23rd January 2015, 08:54 AM
Take note of the extra height on the bonnet.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16520&stc=1&d=1419928458

yes i did note......?
could this be an indication of some future " blown" variation ?
maybe the GT500 under development.......

Falc'man
23rd January 2015, 08:57 AM
yes i did note......?
could this be an indication of some future " blown" variation ?
maybe the GT500 under development.......
At minimum it's blown. I'm hoping it has a couple of turbos in the V.

Bluestuff1
23rd January 2015, 09:00 AM
At minimum it's blown. I'm hoping it has a couple of turbos in the V.

im gunna hate my self for suggesting this, but maybe TTV6 !!

Falc'man
23rd January 2015, 09:22 AM
im gunna hate my self for suggesting this, but maybe TTV6 !!

Nothing is sacred these days and some have suggested similar. The reason I believe it won't be TTV6 is because this new generation Ecoboost 3.5 V6 maxxes out at 700Nm or thereabouts. There's a power war happening at the moment between Dodge, Chev and Ford, and that kind of torque just doesn't cut it in these heavy vehicles.

Falc'man
15th February 2015, 01:19 AM
Their appears to be a model that will sit between the GT and the GT350.

Falc'man
17th February 2015, 12:04 PM
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20948&d=1424124845http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20941&stc=1&d=1424118395

4Vman
30th April 2015, 06:47 PM
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/shelby-mustang-gt350r-limited-edition-2015-05-29



Ford has announced that it intends to build just 37 models of the raucous, track-honed Shelby GT350R Mustang. If you like it, better get your order in quick.

The GT350R is, of course, the hardest ever Mustang in history. It was revealed at the Detroit motor show earlier this year, sporting an extreme diet, fancy dampers, a 500bhp+ V8 and trick aero.

So, on the 50th anniversary of the Shelby GT350, the Blue Oval confirmed that this pointy, track-ready Mustang with no rear seats, air con or boot carpet, though boasting carbon fibre wheels and naturally aspirated flat-plane crank V8 instead, will be built in very limited numbers.

Why 37, you might ask? Well, if you are a Shelby enthusiast, then according to Ford, you will at some point in your life have come into ‘heated debate' about the number of 1965 GT350 competition models originally built. Yes, heated.

"Carroll Shelby insisted two prototype cars and 35 production models were built," says Ford, "but most records show only 34 production models received serial numbers from the Shelby production facility.

"For 2015, Ford will make sure there is no confusion about the number of GT350R models constructed: 37 cars will be built in Carroll Shelby's memory." So, that's that.

If you miss out on one of the 37 cars - which also feature a Torsen differential, a new aero package and adjustable dampers retuned for a lower ride-height and 59kg-lighter kerbweight - you can always scamper after the ‘standard' GT350.

For 2015, 100 GT350s will be built before switching to 2016 MY designation. Of these 100, 50 will be fitted with the ‘Tech Pack', and 50 with the ‘Track Pack'.

Wow... Why bother????

flappist
30th April 2015, 08:53 PM
Wow... Why bother????

Seriously "MR FALCON GT HERITAGE" is asking this question......

4Vman
30th April 2015, 08:55 PM
Seriously "MR FALCON GT HERITAGE" is asking this question......

37?????!!!!

Ford make cars to make money, not provide collectors with appreciating fodder.

flappist
30th April 2015, 08:59 PM
37?????!!!!

Ford make cars to make money, not provide collectors with appreciating fodder.

So they should have just kept making GT-Fs?

4Vman
30th April 2015, 09:01 PM
So they should have just kept making GT-Fs?
500 I understand.. 37 is a waste of R+D funds....

100 GT 350's too???

How are they recouping the RD and toolup?

And yes, they should have made as many GT-F's as they could have sold.

flappist
30th April 2015, 09:08 PM
500 I understand.. 37 is a waste of R+D funds....

100 GT 350's too???

How are they recouping the RD and toolup?

And yes, they should have made as many GT-F's as they could have sold.

So the heritage is of no consequence?

I wonder if you would think the same of a Turbo 6 GT Falcon instead of V8 and make them all 2 seat FWD coupes rather than RWD sedans......

4Vman
30th April 2015, 09:11 PM
So the heritage is of no consequence?

I wonder if you would think the same of a Turbo 6 GT Falcon instead of V8 and make them all 2 seat FWD coupes rather than RWD sedans......

Not sure what a turbo unicorn falcon has to do with spending a shit load of money making 137 cars...

jpd80
30th April 2015, 09:41 PM
only limited to 2015 models to commemorate historical events with Carol Shelby.
Going into 2016 model both GT350 and GT350H should be more plentiful..

LINK (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/28/shelby-gt350-mustang-limited-137-units-2015-model-year/)
As a way to commemorate the Shelby Mustang's 50th anniversary as a performance powerhouse, Ford is building just 37 examples of the 2015 GT350R. This is also a way to pay homage to Carroll Shelby. In 1965, the racing genius originally planned to build 35 GT350 production models, plus two prototypes. However, documents indicate only 34 of the ones meant for customers ever left the workshop. Now, he has gotten his wish.

There are also 100 examples of the standard 2015 GT350 on the way. Of those, 50 get the Technology Package that includes things like MagneRide, a navigation system with Sync 3, and dual-zone climate control. The other 50 get the Track Package that has added cooling for the engine, transmission and differential, a strut tower brace, and the high-tech, magnetic dampers.

Bear in mind, this limited output is only for the 2015 model year, not the calendar year. For the automotive world, 2016 should start in just a few months and allow for even more Shelby Mustangs to hit the streets.

flappist
30th April 2015, 09:55 PM
Not sure what a turbo unicorn falcon has to do with spending a shit load of money making 137 cars...

It is about advertising and promotion.

FFS how much money do you thing Ford make directly from V8SC......

4Vman
30th April 2015, 09:57 PM
only limited to 2015 models to commemorate historical events with Carol Shelby.
Going into 2016 model both GT350 and GT350H should be more plentiful..

Thankyou, you at least made sense!!!

4Vman
30th April 2015, 09:57 PM
It is about advertising and promotion.

FFS how much money do you thing Ford make directly from V8SC......

Wrong, it was apparently to commemorate Shelby.

flappist
30th April 2015, 10:06 PM
Wrong, it was apparently to commemorate Shelby.

Yes exactly as written in the forth line of the quote you posted above where you asked the question in the first place.

They are commemorating Shelby in the same way Holden did Brock cars and Ford did Goss and later Ambrose/Ingall limited edition cars.

And then they ADVERTISE AND PROMOTE them to draw attention to the brand.

Franco Cozzo
30th April 2015, 10:37 PM
So the heritage is of no consequence?

I wonder if you would think the same of a Turbo 6 GT Falcon instead of V8 and make them all 2 seat FWD coupes rather than RWD sedans......

Fuck yeah sign me up LOL

FTe217
1st May 2015, 09:41 AM
Damo, Cortina's back in the day carried a GT badge - more suited for you having a small pack heart, I recall some had hockey stripes :) just some useless info.

HSE2
18th June 2015, 03:18 PM
Everyone see the supersnake articles doing the FB rounds?

4Vman
18th June 2015, 03:21 PM
http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1506/560kw-shelby-gt500-coming-to-australia/

http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/imagegen/max/658/-/s3/digital-cougar-assets/motor/2015/06/17/39066/front-(3).jpg

Released overnight in the US, the Shelby Mustang Super Snake delivers over 560kW of power from its supercharged 5.0-litre V8 engine.

That’s well up on the 468kW and 522kW supercharger kits previously released and far beyond the 331kW of the standard ‘Stang.

http://www.motormag.com.au/media/1804051/Engine.jpg

Mustang Motorsport will officially import the Shelby Super Snake package to our country, which will add around $90,000 (exact price TBC) to the $55,000 standard V8 version purchased from your Ford dealership.

In addition to the most powerful supercharger package, other inclusions are differential and transmission cooling, an adjustable rear control arm, camber/castor plates, racing seats, 6-piston front brakes, a Borla exhaust with Shelby tips and 20-inch Weld Racing wheels with Michelin tyres.

Outside, it’s as you see in the photos; the Super Snake styling package includes racing stripes and bulging carbon fibre bonnet, splitter, rocker panels, diffuser, spoiler and mirror covers.

Inside there’s a short-throw shifter kit (though you can also get the whole kit with an auto), tri-gauge pod, Super Snake branded headrest covers and Shelby labelled floor mats and sill plates.

http://www.motormag.com.au/media/1804081/interior.jpg

You’ll get a proper certificate of authenticity and Shelby serial number in Oz, too, marking the car as more than just a Mustang GT bolt-on kit.

It does, however, place the Super Snake up there with the BMW M3 on price, though well beyond the 430kW HSV GTS on grunt – but perhaps it’s cooler and more bespoke than both.

If that is a bit rich for your blood, Mustang Motorsport has also announced prices for the supercharger kits producing 468kW (BYO plus $14,000) and 522kW (another $2000).

You can run those kits separately or together with a Roush styling package (BYO plus $14,153) that includes 20s, front fascia kit, spoiler and other exterior enhancements.

The Shelby GT kit is one step above the Roush but one below the Shelby Super Snake. Turning your Mustang GT into a Shelby GT will cost a still-hefty amount (BYO plus $46,990) and that’s without either supercharger option.

For that price you also get full Shelby branded exterior and interior parts that are identical to those officially sold in the US, in addition to a handling package, cold air intake, exhaust with tips, forged alloy wheels and a short-throw shifter kit.

http://www.motormag.com.au/media/1804096/wheels.jpg

All the parts are official, and make your Mustang GT official, as you will get an official Shelby serial number.

Add the blower to the Shelby GT kit, and an approximate pricetag of $115,000 for the 468kW version places it in the ballpark of the 430kW HSV GTS. Game on…

HSE2
18th June 2015, 03:40 PM
Blood boiling

4Vman
18th June 2015, 03:46 PM
So what is this??????

Im so confused with all the Shelby Factory/Aftermarket stuff...
So Ford make a Factory Shelby GT350 but Shelby make a GT500 Super Snake that's aftermarket??

Is it GT500? or is the journo misleading?

FML...

This is quite silly.

flappist
18th June 2015, 05:19 PM
There are going to be some seriously angry ants who have paid $300k++ for Shelbys.

It is an interesting situation. In reality how does this differ from HSV and FPV?
In USA Ford actually sell/sold Shelby Mustangs through their dealer chain.

4Vman
18th June 2015, 06:08 PM
There are going to be some seriously angry ants who have paid $300k++ for Shelbys.

It is an interesting situation. In reality how does this differ from HSV and FPV?
In USA Ford actually sell/sold Shelby Mustangs through their dealer chain.

I'll save you before Ian reads this...

Its a lot different to FPV/HSV.

The compliance plate says Mustang GT. Not Shelby Supersnake etc.

In the same way a Falcon GT's plate says FPV GT not Ford XR8 or GTS is plated a HSV GTS not Holden SSV.

This is an aftermarket modification kit installed on a customer car.

You don't buy these cars through a Ford dealer and take it back to them for warranty.

This is a KPM or Herrod situation.

flappist
18th June 2015, 06:14 PM
I'll save you before Ian reads this...

Its a lot different to FPV/HSV.

The compliance plate says Mustang GT. Not Shelby Supersnake etc.

In the same way a GT' plate says FPV GT not Ford XR8 or GTS is plated a HSV GTS not Holden SSV.

This is an aftermarket modification kit installed on a customer car.

You don't buy these cars through a Ford dealer and take it back to them for warranty.

This is a KPM or Herrod situation.

Do the US ones say "Mustang" or "Shelby"?
Maybe they will get new plates changing them from "standard" to "performance".
It is not like there is not a huge precedent for this in the muscle car rebirth industry.......

4Vman
18th June 2015, 06:17 PM
Do the US ones say "Mustang" or "Shelby"?
Maybe they will get new plates changing them from "standard" to "performance".
It is not like there is not a huge precedent for this in the muscle car rebirth industry.......

Ford don't sell a GT500 yet, I can only assume the same situation applies in the states as it does here.

HSE2
18th June 2015, 06:44 PM
The GT350 Shelby mustang is a Ford performance product.

This Shelby supersnake appears to be a non ford performance enhancement.

defective
18th June 2015, 06:53 PM
Those wheels are porn.

4Vman
5th August 2015, 06:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3IX0jK1lew

jpd80
11th November 2015, 10:00 PM
I love this car...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbbNlkP-ZSM

Bluestuff1
12th November 2015, 05:55 PM
did you here him call it a Chevy GT350.....!

jpd80
12th November 2015, 06:54 PM
did you here him call it a Chevy GT350.....!

Are you sure they didn't say Shelby GT350?

a GM 6.2 would pop grapes out it ass trying to get to 8250 rpm...

FTe217
12th November 2015, 07:21 PM
Wish the constant not genuine Ford rhetoric would keep out of every single something that comes up.
Having seen so many around the US the last couple of weeks whilst none here own any type of these versions some others sure are happy to, they look porn and for those willing to buy no matter from where can't we just admire them.

Bluestuff1
14th November 2015, 02:39 PM
Are you sure they didn't say Shelby GT350?

a GM 6.2 would pop grapes out it ass trying to get to 8250 rpm...

Im positive the second dick said Chevy GT350...lol

Just re looked, he did say Shelby, but the text along the bottom read Chevy GT350! ( about 4:40 miniuts in )

Iv just come home long haul flight, I'm brain dead....lol

jpd80
21st November 2015, 12:19 PM
Time for another Adrenalin hit, GT350R with Drag Radials runs high 11s down the 1/4 mile.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=AECJ9SQYiLY



Shelby GT350 Mustang VS the ¼ Mile
Before we get into the details, it should be noted that in the video description, we
learn that this Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang is fitted with a set of Mickey Thompson
drag radial tires and some unspecified suspension modifications – so it isn’t a
factory stock GT350. However, it is a stock power GT350, deriving 526 horsepower
from new 5.2L flat plane V8.

We get to see two runs, and on the first, the Shelby GT350 Mustang goes head to
head with a wicked GT500 race car, so we can barely hear the new Shelby get
away from the starting line. Based on the way that the car sounds at launch,
I believe that the driver was using the launch control feature on the first run,
allowing the new GT350 to get away from the line pretty nicely. We can see the
GT500 in the right lane run into some troubles and let off, at which point we can
hear the flat plane V8 in the GT350 roar as the car crossed the finish line, stopping
the clock at the 12.04 second mark. Notice that the trap speed is 210mph – that is
clearly a malfunction of the timing system.

On the second run, the Shelby GT350 Mustang is running against a slow, quiet Saab,
so we are able to really hear the flat plane V8 clear its throat throughout the entire
quarter mile pass. On this run, it sounds to me like the driver launches manually
(without launch control) and the Mustang looks to get out a bit quicker. The GT350
really sounds freakin’ incredible as it heads down the track and in the end, this
new Shelby was able to lay down a best time of 11.96 at 116 miles per hour.


This isn’t a show-stopping elapsed time, but for a Mustang built to conquer the
road course – a high 11 second quarter mile time is mighty impressive.

Crank up your speakers and fall in love with the new GT350 Mustang all over again!

4Vman
21st November 2015, 12:30 PM
11.96 from a N/A 5.2l is impressive.

Elks
21st November 2015, 02:56 PM
11.96 from a N/A 5.2l is impressive.

All the more so when you consider its a curcuit car not a strip special like the Cobrajet

jpd80
23rd November 2015, 05:40 PM
And on that note, I don't think this has been posted..


Report: 2016 Shelby GT350R clocks 7:32.19 Nurburgring Lap
HorsepowerKings | November 2, 2015

http://horsepowerkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gt350r_731_nu.jpg





Original article posted by HPK in January of 2015, updated in November.

The 2016 Shelby GT350R has clocked a blistering-fast 7:32.19 at the legendary Nurburgring Nordschleife. That’s nearly 5 seconds faster than the Camaro Z/28’s well-groomed 7:37.40 time, and even a second faster than a Porsche 997 GT3 RS MKII.

According to the fresh report, the GT350R clocked this time back in September of 2014, and was “easily repeatable”. The (trusted) source also claims that the ‘base’ GT350 is “within a few seconds” of the ‘R’ package, but no specific lap times were given for the base model.

The GT350R is a pretty substantial upgrade over the GT350. The ‘R’ package gets a unique chin splitter, an aluminum rear bumper beam, and “unique performance chassis tuning” as standard equipment. On top of all the Track Package goodies that come optional on the base GT350, you also get MagneRide magnetic dampers, a wider front track, increased spring rates, and a lowered ride height, coolers for the engine/transmission/differential, and selectable drive modes. Not to mention massive 15.5″ carbon-ceramic rotors clamped by six-piston Brembo calipers.

Love to see the GT350R in a production race with HSV's best....

jpd80
24th November 2015, 04:10 PM
11.96 from a N/A 5.2l is impressive.

New run on same car is 11.764 @ 118.83. Race weight was 4025 lbs with driver.

Pretty close to an XR8's weight?

jpd80
24th November 2015, 05:35 PM
Further to the improved 1/4 mile time of 11.764 @ 118.83 mph....

From a friend on US forum:

'60ft for the previous run was 1.88, which is terrible. Supposedly the driver was riding the clutch. This last run, the '60ft was 1.77, which is still pretty bad.

On svtperformance.com some of the guys explained the issues for drag racing this car. The biggest one being the very light clutch and flywheel (which is part of what makes it able to rev so freely to 8250rpm). It makes it hard to take advantage of the tire. It could also use more gear on the drag strip.

Anyway, that is what they were talking about. I'm sure times will get better as drivers are more willing to abuse the cars. Frankly, I think it's nuts to do this to this car. The upcoming GT500 will be "that" car.

4Vman
24th November 2015, 05:38 PM
Great time but agree completely, this is a circuit racer not a drag queen...

jpd80
24th November 2015, 06:03 PM
Great time but agree completely, this is a circuit racer not a drag queen...

Exactly, light clutch and flywheel are completely at odds with optimum launch.
Let's see how a future forced Induction GT500 goes with those 305 tyres at the rear..

Futura
27th November 2015, 04:50 PM
https://youtu.be/vtdtGgf1BF0

Latest Motortrend comparison.

Futura
27th November 2015, 04:52 PM
Very impressive how well the shelby puts down its power..

defective
27th November 2015, 05:35 PM
Love how it had them both giggling like schoolgirls.


So much want.

WASP
27th November 2015, 10:59 PM
What a fantastic report and video. That GT 350R would have to the one the best performance cars under $100k on the market world wide right now. I want one!!

jpd80
28th November 2015, 03:01 PM
Could you imagine 5.2 FPC slightly destroked to 5.0 and homologated for V8 Supercars...

Holden would blow a gasket...

FTe217
28th November 2015, 08:24 PM
Well, that was a great vid to watch.
As mentioned she rips around corners like on glue.
The only gripe I have is just as our miami's - the crackling exhaust sound, I far prefer the old deeper strong sounding note but from in the cabin in this vid under load she sounds mad !

Randel
28th November 2015, 09:36 PM
Yeah have to agree Maurie, not a fan of a reving engines no load, that crackle is not nice.

Under load, and full throttle - now thats a different story!

Elks
28th November 2015, 10:18 PM
Loved that. 60-0 mph in 96 feet. That's 2 house blocks. Simply amazing.

So much want.